The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[Carana]

Mrs Fenn was a very discreet and decent person. She had nothing to say about the events of the 3rd of May before 22h30 when the BBC news finished and she first noticed something was happening, as revealed in her late statement. She refused to speak to journalists, she obviously abhorred gossip, as documented in some TV film.
I find her a model and I didn't like the mocking her in "Madeleine" when she offered her phone. I don't think I'm alone.

I'm sure she was a kind, elderly lady, Anne. And I certainly don't think that she gave interviews to the press.

At the same time:

- She'd been burgled (scary for anyone, let alone an elderly person).

- She denied having spoken to any journalists - but she must have spoken to friends. And quite possibly - and innocently - spoken about it in her hairdresser's salon, for example, or where she may have gone for afternoon tea. It wouldn't take much for a female tabloid hack to arrange an appointment when she was booked.

- The press were camped outside 5A. She could have been overheard discussing the case with family/friends.


Whatever... but the fact still remains that she was apparently not even questioned until mid-August.

[Redblossom]

Well FM you can supply us with the verbatim quote which shows she thought the flat was unoccupied, and explain how she mentions several times the Mccann family in her statement, or are all her words fabricated, mistaken, blah blah And TBH I have no idea why you want to trash her statement, wouldnt be to discredit the crying episode would it?

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[Carana]

Mrs Fenn was a very discreet and decent person.

Strongly agree.

Every reason to suppose she was telling the truth when she said she had no idea the holiday apartment was occupied ...

It's not clear to me whether she meant that she had no idea that that particular flat was occupied, or hadn't realised that it was occupied by that particular family.

There's a Fenn thread on here somewhere and I had quite a few unanswered questions.

[Redblossom]

Mrs Fenn was a very discreet and decent person.

Strongly agree.

Every reason to suppose she was telling the truth when she said she had no idea the holiday apartment was occupied ...

It's not clear to me whether she meant that she had no idea that that particular flat was occupied, or hadn't realised that it was occupied by that particular family.

There's a Fenn thread on here somewhere and I had quite a few unanswered questions.

The latter obviously. the former is a nonsense as proven by her statement.

[ferryman]

Mrs Fenn was a very discreet and decent person.

Strongly agree.

Every reason to suppose she was telling the truth when she said she had no idea the holiday apartment was occupied ...

It's not clear to me whether she meant that she had no idea that that particular flat was occupied, or hadn't realised that it was occupied by that particular family.

There's a Fenn thread on here somewhere and I had quite a few unanswered questions.

The latter obviously. the former is a nonsense as proven by her statement.

Let's not take this thread any further off-topic ...

[Redblossom]

Mrs Fenn was a very discreet and decent person.

Strongly agree.

Every reason to suppose she was telling the truth when she said she had no idea the holiday apartment was occupied ...

It's not clear to me whether she meant that she had no idea that that particular flat was occupied, or hadn't realised that it was occupied by that particular family.

There's a Fenn thread on here somewhere and I had quite a few unanswered questions.

The latter obviously. the former is a nonsense as proven by her statement.

Let's not take this thread any further off-topic ...

Yes, lets not, I so totally understand
 

[AnneGuedes]

Let me quote this without any "public school" comment :
"...in a plummy voice, inquired, ‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded, ‘Oh, I see,’ almost as if she’d just been told that a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction. I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

[ferryman]

Let me quote this without any "public school" comment :
"...in a plummy voice, inquired, ‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded, ‘Oh, I see,’ almost as if she’d just been told that a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction. I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Not wishing to be rude, Anne, but can I suggest we start a new thread to discuss Mrs Fenn?

Perhaps the latter posts of this thread could be transferred to that thread?

[Mrs. B]

Yes, that was a bit insensitive of Mrs. Fenn, I must agree, I'm sure she never meant to sound uncaring.

[AnneGuedes]

No rudeness, of course, Ferryman !

[Mrs. B]

Let me quote this without any "public school" comment :
"...in a plummy voice, inquired, ‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded, ‘Oh, I see,’ almost as if she’d just been told that a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction. I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Not wishing to be rude, Anne, but can I suggest we start a new thread to discuss Mrs Fenn?

Perhaps the latter posts of this thread could be transferred to that thread?

Good idea. Didn't Carana mention there used to be one? Maybe it can be revived?

[Carana]

Let me quote this without any "public school" comment :
"...in a plummy voice, inquired, ‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded, ‘Oh, I see,’ almost as if she’d just been told that a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction. I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Not wishing to be rude, Anne, but can I suggest we start a new thread to discuss Mrs Fenn?

Perhaps the latter posts of this thread could be transferred to that thread?

Good idea. Didn't Carana mention there used to be one? Maybe it can be revived?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1237.0

[Mrs. B]

Thanks Carana

[Rachel Granada]

It's my understanding that Gerry was at the Tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting? 

Why on earth would Jane Tanner agree to be roped into lying to cover up the death of a child? Come on!

[faithlilly]

It's my understanding that Gerry was at the Tapas bar at the time of the Smith sighting? 

Why on earth would Jane Tanner agree to be roped into lying to cover up the death of a child? Come on!

I'm afraid there are no independent witnesses that are able to place Gerry in the tapas bar at the time of the sighting so whether Gerry was there is open to debate.

As to the reason why Tanner would lie we will not know that until the full details of that night are revealed. There was talk though that she and O'Brien wished to change their statements at one point, a wish they were quickly talked out of at the Rothley meeting no doubt.