The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[AnneGuedes]

You can spin out the comments as much as you want Anne, truth is it is beyond any doubt and the Portuguese police confirmed this in their final Report to the Attorney General.  Obvious you know better.

What spinning ? None of them says Mr McCann was at the table at 10pm. None of them even was near the table when they left it.
If it was "beyond any doubt", why did the AG request a reconstruction ? Why did he say  the nature of the crime couldn't be determined ?

[DCI]

I see Anne's doing her usual, Missing little bits off, that matter. 

Its obvious the times are wrong, but it just suits her agenda!

He's either drunk, stupid, or Almeida got it wrong. Seems he has a funny clock, too.

Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja

Date/Time: 2007/05/08 21H10
Executive Chef
Portuguese

Concerning the issue of the process said;
. Is a functionary of the Ocean Club establishment since the 13th of January of the current year (2007), and is employed as executive chef of the kitchen. He clarifies that along with being responsible for the five (5) kitchens (one of whom is the Tapas) of the Ocean Club, his post essentially centres on the principal kitchen next to a reception, close to the restaurant MIRAGE. His work takes him occasionally to the other kitchens;
. He records that the past Thursday, 3rd of May, he left the central kitchen with the objective of going to the Tapas restaurant in order to determine that everything was functioning smoothly;

. When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus. The deponent furthers that is was not a small car, and for this reason it could very well have been a Focus and not a Fiesta. He tells that he does not remember any sticker indicating that it was a rental car. Inside the vehicle he saw no one.

. After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else.

. A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared. Given the importance of this, believed that he should be in the surroundings. At that moment, he did not leave the area of the restaurant, and did not have the opportunity to check if the vehicle mentioned before was situated in the same location; .

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

. When he left, he noticed that the dark blue vehicle was no longer in its location (previously noted) and does not know of the existence or any connection between the presence of that vehicle and the disappearance of the child;
. Ending, states that during the days that preceded the facts, he did not notice any element/individual/fact that would have merited his attention;
. And nothing more said, having read the statement, finds it in conformity and signs it;
. The document is duly signed by me ?

Tony Almeida, Inspector with this Policia Judiciaria.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

[icabodcrane]

You can spin out the comments as much as you want Anne, truth is it is beyond any doubt and the Portuguese police confirmed this in their final Report to the Attorney General.  Obviously though you believe you know better.

The evidence is what counts at the end of the day Anne and the evidence of all the independent witnesses taken together reveals only one delayed meal, that intended for Russell O'Brien.  The evidence by the other members of the group corroborates everything which transpired.  No mystery, no conspiracy!

No independent witness put Gerry McCann at the table at 10pm

The prosecutor accepted the word of the McCann friends that he was with them at the tapas bar because he  HAD  to  ...  he could not 'presume' that they were being untruthful

We really must dispel the myth,  though,  that anyone  OTHER  than his friends said Gerry was at the table at 10pm  ....  because they have not

[Redblossom]

No independent witness put Gerry McCann at the table at 10pm

The prosecutor accepted the word of the McCann friends that he was with them at the tapas bar because he  HAD  to  ...  he could not 'presume' that they were being untruthful

We really must dispel the myth,  though,  that anyone  OTHER  than his friends said Gerry was at the table at 10pm  ....  because they have not

Fair appraisal. I still do not know who this second man is who was missing for thirty minutes. The witness says it may have been Gerry, but even if it wasnt and it was Matthew, what was he gone for so long for? Histiming for OBriens absence is more or less correct, so presumably the timing for the second man was too.

--------- JOAQUIM JOSE MOREIRA BATISTA (residing at Rua Ilha Terceira, no. 15, Lagos, Telephone No 91 277 ####) - table employee [waiter].
- Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined at the restaurant last night, as usual, of which the parents of missing were part (he didn't know them) he noticed that two individuals left the table, of the male gender.
- The first to leave was about 40/45 years old (tall, skinny, white complexion, with large [a full head of] hair of color gray) and the period of his absence was about 15 minutes, being that they had to [re-]heat his food, which had cooled;
- The second to leave (about 40/45 years of age, having the physical characteristics of the first, but having less bulky hair) did so for about 30 minutes, and that shortly after he returned, all left the table, except for an elderly person, who told him that a child had disappeared, the daughter of a member of the group, due to which he thought that the second person to leave could have been the father of the child;

[Angelo222]

No independent witness put Gerry McCann at the table at 10pm

The prosecutor accepted the word of the McCann friends that he was with them at the tapas bar because he  HAD  to  ...  he could not 'presume' that they were being untruthful

We really must dispel the myth,  though,  that anyone  OTHER  than his friends said Gerry was at the table at 10pm  ....  because they have not

Total rubbish Ica.    Do you really believe for a minute that the waiter who served him his meal didn't know if he was at the table to eat it.  Get a grip!!


Tapas waiter Ricardo Alexandre da Luz Oliveira saw Madeleines parents both arrive for dinner at 8.45pm and this corroborates Gerry himself when he stated that he and Kate left their apartment at 8.35pm.  He confirmed that the entire group of 9 members sat down to dinner.

Ricardo recalls that only one of the Tapas 9 had his meal held back and this is something that a waiter never gets wrong.  Ricardo confirmed in a later statement that the person was Russell O'Brien who was away from the table for quite some time.  As it happens, Russell was on bedroom duty looking after his ill daughter until relieved by partner Jane tanner at 9.40.  Ricardo confirms his return to the table at 9.45pm.  Obviously the waiter was wanting to get home and was not too pleased at being delayed.

Now lets see, 9 meals delivered to a table for 9 people and the only individuals who were absent were absent for a matter of minutes at a time doing regular child checks.

Another independent witness comes up trumps.   


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

[icabodcrane]

Total rubbish Ica.    Do you really believe for a minute that the waiter who served him his meal didn't know if he was at the table to eat it.  Get a grip!!

You show me the witness statement from the waiter  ...  or anyone else  for that matter,  that says Gerry McCann was at the table at 10pm  and you can sit on your laurels Angelo

You won't be  able to though  (  because no such witness statements exist  ) 

[Redblossom]

Angelo, No one is saying GM was not there when he was served his dinner or that he didnt eat it! Getting dinner served around 9.30 is miles away from 10 pm.
 


eta Im not saying GM was Smithman BTW! I have no idea, probably wasnt. But thats not the same as insisting he was there at 10pm (at the table I mean) without independent evidence.

[Angelo222]

You show me the witness statement from the waiter  ...  or anyone else  for that matter,  that says Gerry McCann was at the table at 10pm  and you can sit on your laurels Angelo

You won't be  able to though  (  because no such witness statements exist  )

It's called interpolation Ica, the police do it all the time.

[Angelo222]

Angelo, No one is saying GM was not there when he was served his dinner or that he didnt eat it! Getting dinner served around 9.30 is miles away from 10 pm.
 


eta Im not saying GM was Smithman BTW! I have no idea, probably wasnt. But thats not the same as insisting he was there at 10pm (at the table I mean) without independent evidence.

I'm glad you accept that Red.   At the other end of the spectrum there are a multitude of witnesses who saw Kate come back from the apartment just after 10pm shrieking to Gerry that they had taken her.  Was she shrieking to a ghost, a doppelganger or just imagining that Gerry was sat there at the table?

There is also an independent witness Maria da Silva who was outside the Ocean Club premises at precisely 10pm who saw or heard no commotion thus proving that the alert never took place before that time.

And if you expect anyone to believe that Gerry gulped down his dinner, jogged off down town with Madeleine under his arm as Stephen seems to believe just in time to be seen by the Smiths at 10pm but also to be back at the tapas in time for the alert also at 10pm then you are sadly deluded.  In fact POSITIVELY CRACKERS!!   

[icabodcrane]

It's called interpolation Ica, the police do it all the time.

You can call it what you like Angelo  ...  doesn't change the fact that not a single independent witness has said Gerry was at the table at 10pm

You can say it could be  'assumed'  that Gerry was at the table,  but you can't say he definately was   (  other than by taking the word of his friends,  which is what the prosecutor was compelled to do  ) 

[Redblossom]

I'm glad you accept that Red.   At the other end of the spectrum there are a multitude of witnesses who saw Kate come back from the apartment just after 10pm shrieking to Gerry that they had taken her.  Was she shrieking to a ghost, a doppelganger or just imagining that Gerry was sat there at the table?

There is also an independent witness Maria da Silva who was outside the Ocean Club premises at precisely 10pm who saw or heard no commotion thus proving that the alert never took place before that time.

And if you expect anyone to believe that Gerry gulped down his dinner, jogged off down town with Madeleine under his arm as Stephen seems to believe just in time to be seen by the Smiths at 10pm but also to be back at the tapas in time for the alert also at 10pm then you are sadly deluded.  In fact POSITIVELY CRACKERS!!   

Keep your hair on, did I say I expected anyone to believe it? No I didnt. Did I say I believed it? No I didnt. It is not though  anymore without the realms of possibility than some other really dubious theories on here.

As for the alert there IS no DEFINITIVE time  for the alert. 10pm is far too early for it. Even Gerry himself says Kate did not return to the table until 10.13-10.15 pm! And he had his little watch on which he checked times with such precision.
 

[DCI]

I'm glad you accept that Red.   At the other end of the spectrum there are a multitude of witnesses who saw Kate come back from the apartment just after 10pm shrieking to Gerry that they had taken her.  Was she shrieking to a ghost, a doppelganger or just imagining that Gerry was sat there at the table?

There is also an independent witness Maria da Silva who was outside the Ocean Club premises at precisely 10pm who saw or heard no commotion thus proving that the alert never took place before that time.

And if you expect anyone to believe that Gerry gulped down his dinner, jogged off down town with Madeleine under his arm as Stephen seems to believe just in time to be seen by the Smiths at 10pm but also to be back at the tapas in time for the alert also at 10pm then you are sadly deluded.  In fact POSITIVELY CRACKERS!!   

Why are none of these "Snippets" included or mentioned in their statements?

JOAQUIM JOSE MOREIRA BATISTA

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM-J-M-BAPTISTA.htm

[Redblossom]

Why are none of these "Snippets" included or mentioned in their statements?

JOAQUIM JOSE MOREIRA BATISTA

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAQUIM-J-M-BAPTISTA.htm

Why are you asking Angelo? Did HE post any SNIPPET? No, I did. Your answer is DUNNO. Why do YOU think? That informal statements must be wrong? OR DELIBERATELY excluded? Why dont you just spit it out what you mean for a change.

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[Benice]

You can call it what you like Angelo  ...  doesn't change the fact that not a single independent witness has said Gerry was at the table at 10pm

You can say it could be  'assumed'  that Gerry was at the table,  but you can't say he definately was   (  other than by taking the word of his friends,  which is what the prosecutor was compelled to do  )

[/b]

Of course he wasn't COMPELLED to.   Like any other sensible person he recognised that there was  no sane reason to believe that 7 perfectly normal intelligent people, some of whom hardly knew the McCanns, would put their own families lives in jeopardy and agree to pervert the course of justice by aiding and abetting the disposal of a dead child's body.

That would make them all simple-minded nutters - and they clearly were not.   
And thankfully neither was the AG.

[Angelo222]

You can call it what you like Angelo  ...  doesn't change the fact that not a single independent witness has said Gerry was at the table at 10pm

You can say it could be  'assumed'  that Gerry was at the table,  but you can't say he definately was   (  other than by taking the word of his friends,  which is what the prosecutor was compelled to do  )

Did you look up the word interpolation?

And according to Jo the waiter>

On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues Ze and Ricardo who were on break.

I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her, "They've left you alone?"    She responded more of less with these words, "No, they went to see if the little girl was there." I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment.

At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine's father, running to the pool and to the children's play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Millennium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.


So there goes another myth which one of the [ censored word] attempted to propagate earlier that Gerry didn't do any searching....    or does Jeronimo not count too??