The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[Redblossom]

The Tapas group say 10 ish, staff suggested it was earlier.

Most in dependent witness statements suggested an earlier time, strange that...mass memory loss?

[imustpointout]

Most in dependent witness statements suggested an earlier time, strange that...mass memory loss?

most or all?

what % would you apply?

[jassi]

There is some variation, but I think only the Tapas friends state 10 pm.

[Redblossom]

can you provide a link to where people said that dozens (in bold) put gerry at the table?

Yea no problem


Although Mr Smith admitted he was not wearing his glasses at the time he later said he thought the man could have been Gerry McCann.

This is an impossibility as dozens of witnesses confirmed he was at the holiday complex at 10pm. British police have also said they are certain that Mr McCann has nothing to do with his daughter’s appearance.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2462105/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-delight-Crimewatch-response.html

[imustpointout]

I think you expect a little difference in the dozens (in bold)

[whitenight]

There were 2 timelines put forward on the evening of the 3rd May.
The first compiled by the Tapas group - scribbled on the back of M's book. If this is taken as gospel, there is no way GM could have been Smithman.
The second (taken from “the files”) is a compilation of statements given by witnesses other than the Tapas group. This suggests that the Tapas table was cleared (but for DW) by between 9:20 and 9:30, in which case the 5/6 minute walk to where the Smiths saw their man at 9:50 was most certainly “reachable” by any of the group! In the second timeline, GM is not referred to between the JW chat at 9:10 and the call to the GNR (at I think around 10:45). If anyone can see from the files this is not the case, I would love to be shown why.

[imustpointout]

Read this and you work it out


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic111.html

there are links that I do not click on.

Provide a summary

[Redblossom]

oh dear red - when I quoted a red top earlier you were not at all happy.

Did I say it was true? No, did I say I believed it? No, I posted a fact....what is being reported...and it is also a fact that clarence mitchell stated on tv that SEVERAL independent witnesses saw Gerry at the table ..now, where is the link for just ONE let alone several independent ones, over to YOU
 >@@(*&)

Catch u later
 

[Redblossom]

there are links that I do not click on.

Provide a summary

You need to click on it to have the links to the original statements, dont worry it wont bite you but just in case youre very scared heres the text.....

[John]

Please remember that this thread only relates to the proof of Gerry's presence at the Ocean Club at 10pm.

References to the Smiths sighting is a different topic.

[icabodcrane]

Please remember that this thread only relates to the proof of Gerry's presence at the Ocean Club at 10pm.

References to the Smiths sighting is a different topic.

Apart from the tapas group  claiming it,  there is   no  'proof'  that Gerry was in the tapas bar at 10pm

[Lace]

Apart from the tapas group  claiming it,  there is   no  'proof'  that Gerry was in the tapas bar at 10pm

Give me one good reason why Dianne Webster would lie in her statement to the police.

[icabodcrane]

Give me one good reason why Dianne Webster would lie in her statement to the police.

I havn't said that I think the tapas group were  'lying'  when they said Gerry was at the Tapas bar at 10pm  ...  I am merely pointing out that it is  only  the tapas group  who have said it

No independent witness places him there at that time

[Lace]

I havn't said that I think the tapas group were  'lying'  when they said Gerry was at the Tapas bar at 10pm  ...  I am merely pointing out that it is  only  the tapas group  who have said it

No independent witness places him there at that time

Dianne Webster's statement is good enough for me,  she had no reason what so ever to lie to the police.

A waiter saw Gerry looking for Madeleine not long after 10 ' clock too,  he would have to have hidden Madeleine pretty quickly to have got back to the Tapas Bar to be seen by the waiter.    How on earth could he have hidden Madeleine where no one could find her in that short time and get back to be seen looking for Madeleine?

[C.Edwards]

Dianne Webster's statement is good enough for me,  she had no reason what so ever to lie to the police.

A waiter saw Gerry looking for Madeleine not long after 10 ' clock too,  he would have to have hidden Madeleine pretty quickly to have got back to the Tapas Bar to be seen by the waiter.    How on earth could he have hidden Madeleine where no one could find her in that short time and get back to be seen looking for Madeleine?

How do you know Dianne Webster's timing is accurate?

When, exactly was "Smith Man" seen?  9:50pm? 9:55pm? It's 5 minutes walking from the tapas bar to the smith sighting point and and significantly less jogging/running. Maybe another minute or so to the area at the top of the rocks where the local small boats are kept. More than enough time for a fit man who liked jogging to get back from that area to the Tapas bar and be seen "shortly after 10" if the waiter's timing is accurate even.

This is the problem - none of the timings are accurate, they're all estimates, aren't they?  If there was only a tapas bar cctv or something then the timings would have been verifiable. There wasn't, so the timings all have to be treated as potentially inaccurate.

I'd therefore venture that it'd perhaps be misleading/disingenuous to treat only those that suit a particular version of events (from either side) as being accurate timings, wouldn't you? 

Therefore, it's impossible to say Gerry McCann was - or wasn't - at the tapas bar at 10pm?