The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[AnneGuedes]

I wonder what your family and friends would make of your appalling posts?

Neely, I guess you're shocked because you so much hope that Madeleine is alive. But be reasonable and think of Gerald McCann's words about Madeleine being taken by paedophiles. Would you prefer that ? I wouldn't.

[AnneGuedes]

So, Anne Guedes... can you give us your opinion about the Smith sighting?

Yes I can. I'm not sure about the carrier, but I've no doubt the little girl he carried was Madeleine.  Was she in a coma or was she dead ? Likely the second. Did he kill her ? I don't think so. Predators use, kill and leave behind, they don't carry corpses.
Just my opinion !

Carry her for over 400 metres in an area swarming with tourists on a night out? In any event that is not where the tracker dogs ended up.

The carrier the Smith crossed chose the darker road. I went there at night, many times, never met a soul.

[AnneGuedes]

So, Anne Guedes... can you give us your opinion about the Smith sighting?

Yes I can. I'm not sure about the carrier, but I've no doubt the little girl he carried was Madeleine.  Was she in a coma or was she dead ? Likely the second. Did he kill her ? I don't think so. Predators use, kill and leave behind, they don't carry corpses.
Just my opinion !

Are you saying that it was Gerry McCann carrying Madeleine's corpse, Anne?

No, Rachel, I'm certainly not saying that.

What are you saying then, Anne?

Rachel, you asked my opinion, I answered, I can't say more, how could I ? I don't know, like everybody here !

[AnneGuedes]

My name is Neeley and your posts are very offensive.
You have no empathy for the parents of a missing child.
Shame on you.

Neeley, I didn't insult you, you do have to admit this. You have no empathy for me, that's your right but why tell it ? Do you hope to make me cry ?  How do you know that I'm not a missing child's mother? Do I have to prove it to you ?

[ferryman]

So, Anne Guedes... can you give us your opinion about the Smith sighting?

Yes I can. I'm not sure about the carrier, but I've no doubt the little girl he carried was Madeleine.  Was she in a coma or was she dead ? Likely the second. Did he kill her ? I don't think so. Predators use, kill and leave behind, they don't carry corpses.
Just my opinion !

Carry her for over 400 metres in an area swarming with tourists on a night out? In any event that is not where the tracker dogs ended up.

I will be introducing this subject tomorrow with maps showing where the police dogs tracked Madeleine to.

Caution with that one, John.

There are two types of scent living humans emit and different types of tracker dogs that track them.  There is an aerial scent that identifies humans as distinct from other animals, but does not differentiate one human from another; and there is a scent deposited at, or just above ground level that, like a signature or a complete DNA profile, differentiates one human as unique from another.

The overwhelming majority of tracker dogs are of the type trained to track the aerial, generic human scent.

Dogs trained to track the ground-scent are rare and specialised. In Britain, they are called scent article method or SAM dogs.  There is only one police force (based in Dyfed, Wales) that has them.

I'm not convinced those GNR officers who were deployed to Praia da Luz had them.  Certainly Mark Harrison says that the GNR deployed aerial scenting dogs.

And the handler of the dog that was given the towel to sniff says that it is likely his dog might have been distracted by competing scents, which would not be a problem for a dedicated SAM dog.

None of that should be interpreted or construed as criticism of those officers deployed who, faced with a stark choice between giving up on Madeleine or mixing-and-matching as best they could and trying their hardest on behalf of Madeleine, opted to give it their best shot, ill-equipped for the job asked of them. No one could, or should, criticise them for that.

But certainly in the very earliest stages, a SAM dog is what might have benefited the search for Madeline most ...

[AnneGuedes]

Two of the dogs coming from the GNR national school in Queluz (Lisbon) were what you call SAM dogs (in France also those dogs are trained in a unique place). They were given the towel, whereas the patrol dog with some training in SAM was given the comfort blanket. Curiously all three took the same route.
When a SAM dog meets a mixture of strong scents, like a bin, it tries to discriminate between them to find the referent scent. This is what the handler explains.

[John]

So, Anne Guedes... can you give us your opinion about the Smith sighting?

Yes I can. I'm not sure about the carrier, but I've no doubt the little girl he carried was Madeleine.  Was she in a coma or was she dead ? Likely the second. Did he kill her ? I don't think so. Predators use, kill and leave behind, they don't carry corpses.
Just my opinion !

Carry her for over 400 metres in an area swarming with tourists on a night out? In any event that is not where the tracker dogs ended up.

The carrier the Smith crossed chose the darker road. I went there at night, many times, never met a soul.

With respect Anne the smiths only saw this person at a locus some 350 metres away from the Ocean Club. There is no proof he took any particular road, only that he was seen by the Smiths at that location. In any event wasn't the  guy seen by tanner going in the wrong direction to be the same man the Smiths saw?

[debunker]

You must be a seriously sick person to post what you have.
Shame on you.

What is sick about that post. It is realistic.

Unlike half the myths freely discussed by both sides.

[AnneGuedes]

So, Anne Guedes... can you give us your opinion about the Smith sighting?

Yes I can. I'm not sure about the carrier, but I've no doubt the little girl he carried was Madeleine.  Was she in a coma or was she dead ? Likely the second. Did he kill her ? I don't think so. Predators use, kill and leave behind, they don't carry corpses.
Just my opinion !

Carry her for over 400 metres in an area swarming with tourists on a night out? In any event that is not where the tracker dogs ended up.

The carrier the Smith crossed chose the darker road. I went there at night, many times, never met a soul.

With respect Anne the smiths only saw this person at a locus some 350 metres away from the Ocean Club. There is no proof he took any particular road, only that he was seen by the Smiths at that location. In any event wasn't the  guy seen by tanner going in the wrong direction to be the same man the Smiths saw?

You're right, John, I was just trying to answer your "Carry her for over 400 metres in an area swarming with tourists on a night out?". Though there are different routes from the G5 to the Smith meeting point, one is the shortest, darkest and more desert one (no souls in May, no cars = no lights).
Though I don't doubt Jane T saw a carrier, I'm not sure she saw him where she said she did (but the guy could have decided to go backwards for some reason). Silvia Batista, who heard the first report and translated it, wondered how Jane could have seen what she said she saw being where she said she was.

[Gildas]

Gildas, are you aware that SY have forensically examined the timeline and are of the opinion that there was opportunity for an abduction?

No, I am not aware that SY have examined the timeline, Martha. If you could provide me with a link, I shall read it as soon as I get a chance.

[Gildas]

Gildas, are you aware that SY have forensically examined the timeline and are of the opinion that there was opportunity for an abduction?

No, I am not aware that SY have examined the timeline, Martha. If you could provide me with a link, I shall read it as soon as I get a chance.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said he believed she was abducted by a stranger, adding that there were 195 "investigative opportunities".

Redwood said he "genuinely" believed Madeleine could be alive, though the team is following an equal line of inquiry that she might now be dead.

The officer is leading a team of 37 detectives dedicated solely to carrying out an active investigative review of all the evidence in the case.

They are sifting through 40,000 pieces of material, and within them Redwood said officers have identified 195 historic investigative opportunities.

He said the team was developing new information about what happened to Madeleine five years ago, when she disappeared from her parents' holiday villa in Praia de Luz.

"We are currently developing material which we believe represents genuine new information," said Redwood.

He said officers had carried out a forensic analysis of the timeline of events, and had identified opportunities when the child could have been taken in a criminal act.

Dismissing conspiracy theories about Madeleine's parents' involvement, Redwood said he believed the girl's disappearance was the result of "a criminal act by a stranger".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-case-reopen-call

Martha, thanks for the quote. I am sorry I did not express myself well. I meant a timeline between 10.00 and 11.00, when events, according to C Edwards, were very confusing. I have now corrected my post.

[AnneGuedes]

SY speaks of a time-line forensically examined, which one ?

[Admin]

Martha, thanks for the quote. I am sorry I did not express myself well. I meant a timeline between 10.00 and 11.00, when events, according to C Edwards, were very confusing. I have now corrected my post.

There was no confusion, the statements are very clear as to the events which occurred in and around the Ocean Club resort on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007.  It must be pointed out that it serves the purposes of some posters to invent confusion so as to blur their own agendas.

Undoubtedly, many posters have worked this out for themselves.   

[C.Edwards]

Martha, thanks for the quote. I am sorry I did not express myself well. I meant a timeline between 10.00 and 11.00, when events, according to C Edwards, were very confusing. I have now corrected my post.

There was no confusion, the statements are very clear as to the events which occurred in and around the Ocean Club resort on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007.  It must be pointed out that it serves the purposes of some posters to invent confusion so as to blur their own agendas.

Undoubtedly, many posters have worked this out for themselves.   

It's funny if that's aimed at me as I was booted off Havern's (very Anti) forum for having an agenda to disrupt and cause confusion apparently.  I wasn't anti enough, it would appear. 

[John]

Martha, thanks for the quote. I am sorry I did not express myself well. I meant a timeline between 10.00 and 11.00, when events, according to C Edwards, were very confusing. I have now corrected my post.

There was no confusion, the statements are very clear as to the events which occurred in and around the Ocean Club resort on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007.  It must be pointed out that it serves the purposes of some posters to invent confusion so as to blur their own agendas.

Undoubtedly, many posters have worked this out for themselves.   

I believe there was some confusion but from going through the many statements by the tapas 9 and the many independent witnesses a vein of truth can be established.  I agree with C Edwards to some extent that some of the timings given in several statements are not possible but we don't know why this is.  Can they be a simple error, a wrongful translation or are the witnesses simply confused as many seemed to be.

What isn't in any doubt however is that Gerry McCann was at the dinner table at the tapas bar at around 10pm (give or take a few minutes) when Kate came running towards him shouting that Madeleine was gone.  There is no disputing this event and the time it occurred.

Having gone through nearly 100 statements I am concerned that there would appear to be statements missing.  I am also very aware that the statements given by the staff who worked in the tapas bar are lacking in substance so the question must be asked as to why did the Portuguese police do such a bad job in interviewing these individuals?