The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[icabodcrane]

For clarity how many of the waiters say that Gerry was away from the restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting?

The same number who place him there at the time ...  none

just clarify that again

No waiter  ...  no independent witness at  all in fact ...  definitively places Gerry in the tapas restaurant  when the Smith's made their sighting

[amaraltheofficeboy]

For clarity how many of the waiters say that Gerry was away from the restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting?

The same number who place him there at the time ...  none

just clarify that again

No waiter  ...  no independent witness at  all in fact ...  definitively places Gerry in the tapas restaurant  when the Smith's made their sighting

and exactly how many waiters say definitely that he was not at the table when the one of hte Smiths made a 60- - 80% sighting?

[icabodcrane]

For clarity how many of the waiters say that Gerry was away from the restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting?

The same number who place him there at the time ...  none

just clarify that again

No waiter  ...  no independent witness at  all in fact ...  definitively places Gerry in the tapas restaurant  when the Smith's made their sighting

and exactly how many waiters say definitely that he was not at the table when the one of hte Smiths made a 60- - 80% sighting?

As many who say he definately was at the table ...  none

Gerry has no independent verification of his whereabouts at the moment the Smiths made their sighting

It is only his mates who place him at the table

[Mrs. B]

Mrs. Webster would probably object most strongly to being referred to as one of Gerry McCann's "mates" 

[amaraltheofficeboy]

For clarity how many of the waiters say that Gerry was away from the restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting?

The same number who place him there at the time ...  none

just clarify that again

No waiter  ...  no independent witness at  all in fact ...  definitively places Gerry in the tapas restaurant  when the Smith's made their sighting

and exactly how many waiters say definitely that he was not at the table when the one of hte Smiths made a 60- - 80% sighting?

As many who say he definately was at the table ...  none

Gerry has no independent verification of his whereabouts at the moment the Smiths made their sighting

It is only his mates who place him at the table

which statement says he was not at the table?

[icabodcrane]

For clarity how many of the waiters say that Gerry was away from the restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting?

The same number who place him there at the time ...  none

just clarify that again

No waiter  ...  no independent witness at  all in fact ...  definitively places Gerry in the tapas restaurant  when the Smith's made their sighting

and exactly how many waiters say definitely that he was not at the table when the one of hte Smiths made a 60- - 80% sighting?

As many who say he definately was at the table ...  none

Gerry has no independent verification of his whereabouts at the moment the Smiths made their sighting

It is only his mates who place him at the table

which statement says he was not at the table?

It really does not matter how many people can't say that he was definately   NOT there  ...  the point is that no independent witnesses can say that he definately WAS  there

No independent witnesses say  Gerry McCann was definately in the tapas restaurant when the Smiths made their sighting

That is a fact

[Mrs. B]

Not really, it would depend on what you chose be class as an independent witness. Mrs. Webster for example, though sitting at the same table, did not have any previous relations with the McCann as far as I know. I class her as an independent witness.

[AnneGuedes]

Not really, it would depend on what you chose be class as an independent witness. Mrs. Webster for example, though sitting at the same table, did not have any previous relations with the McCann as far as I know. I class her as an independent witness.

The police wouldn't, she's the mother of the only friend (in the group) of Mrs McCann and they certainly knew each other before PDL.
Anyhow, none of the TPs was asked whether Mr McCann was sitting at the table when his wife launched the alarm. Some, not all, quote Mrs McCann saying "Gerry, Madeleine's gone" of whatever.

[Mrs. B]

I'm not sure about that, but then, I'm not the police so I wouldn't know exactly what degrees of "independence" they apply to witnesses.

[AnneGuedes]

I'm not sure about that, but then, I'm not the police so I wouldn't know exactly what degrees of "independence" they apply to witnesses.

Somebody you met recently by chance, like Jeremy W is reasonably an independent witness.

[Mrs. B]

No, sorry, I don't agree, immediate family & very close friends I would regard as less independent but acquaintances & family of friends I would class as fairly independent.

[AnneGuedes]

Why would Mrs W be more independent than Rachael M or Jane T ? None of these women had holidays with the McCann before.

[Mrs. B]

So they were not "very close friends" i.e. fairly independent too.

[icabodcrane]

Mrs B

I think the purpose of this thread is to determine whether anyone other  than the McCann's friends,  place Gerry at the table when the Smiths made their sighting

[ferryman]

Mrs B

I think the purpose of this thread is to determine whether anyone other  than the McCann's friends,  place Gerry at the table when the Smiths made their sighting

Why do you ignore the much more relevant questions?

If Gerry was absent from the table, who noticed his absence?

Who looked for him?

Where was he when found?

Who found him?

Under what circumstances?