The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[Redblossom]

We don't know for certain that police was NOT called just after the alert was raised. We have conflicting statements & telephone records. None of which can be discarded.

there are no conflicting telephone records at all, the police were called at 22 41, unless you want to purport the theory that police doctored their records or doctored the records from the ocean club

[icabodcrane]

Helder Jorge Samaio Luis, receptionist;
"He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again."

I said there are statement contradicting the OC phone records, there were mobile phones in 2007 too, where are those records? E.g. were they ever checked?

Please point to the exact location in the files where the UK citizen's offer to user her phone was rejected as "useless", I can't see it.

With respect, IMO people's "imagination" vs actual facts is a major reason why there's so much mis-information being peddled online with regard to this case.

It is you who is being  'imaginative'  Mrs B, if I may say so 

Not a single witness even claims to have contacted the police that night either by landline or mobile,  other than the Ocean Club receptionist

Records prove that he did not make that first call until 22.41pm,  regardless of his statement   

[Mrs. B]

And there's more http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR-SANTOS.htm

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet. He added (the receptionist) that he had phoned the GNR post several times and that he had been told that they would arrive when they could but that they were investigating a theft in Odiaxere. The receptionist asked the witness whether he should contact the PSP, to which the witness replied no as this area belongs to the GNR.

Given the circumstances, the witness thought it best to go to the resort to find out more about the situation.

When he arrived at the scene about 10 to 15 minutes later, he immediately went to the reception where the GNR were present, taking a statement from the girl's father.

[Redblossom]

No records for it so hearsay or jumbled memories

[Mrs. B]

Helder Jorge Samaio Luis, receptionist;
"He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again."

I said there are statement contradicting the OC phone records, there were mobile phones in 2007 too, where are those records? E.g. were they ever checked?

Please point to the exact location in the files where the UK citizen's offer to user her phone was rejected as "useless", I can't see it.

With respect, IMO people's "imagination" vs actual facts is a major reason why there's so much mis-information being peddled online with regard to this case.

It is you who is being  'imaginative'  Mrs B, if I may say so 

Not a single witness even claims to have contacted the police that night either by landline or mobile,  other than the Ocean Club receptionist

Records prove that he did not make that first call until 22.41pm,  regardless of his statement

Ah, so we are to "disregard" the statement from the receptionist , are we? Why is that, are there any proof he's lying too?

[DCI]

Helder Jorge Samaio Luis, receptionist;
"He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again."

I said there are statement contradicting the OC phone records, there were mobile phones in 2007 too, where are those records? E.g. were they ever checked?

Please point to the exact location in the files where the UK citizen's offer to user her phone was rejected as "useless", I can't see it.

With respect, IMO people's "imagination" vs actual facts is a major reason why there's so much mis-information being peddled online with regard to this case.

It is you who is being  'imaginative'  Mrs B, if I may say so 

Not a single witness even claims to have contacted the police that night either by landline or mobile,  other than the Ocean Club receptionist

Records prove that he did not make that first call until 22.41pm,  regardless of his statement

Ah, so we are to "disregard" the statement from the receptionist , are we? Why is that, are there any proof he's lying too?

 

[AnneGuedes]

Helder Jorge Samaio Luis, receptionist;
"He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again."

Are you kidding, Mrs B. ?
If the receptionist was right, between 21h30 and 22h, how was John Hill informed at 22h28 on his cell phone that keeps times ? How could the child's father arrive "shortly after" if he was on his balcony at 22H30 according to an independent witness, Mrs Fenn ? The child's father was at the main reception at 23H, according to the GNR officers and Silvia Batista. Do you think he waited there for an hour, calmly, though his child has disappeared ?

[icabodcrane]

Helder Jorge Samaio Luis, receptionist;
"He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again."

I said there are statement contradicting the OC phone records, there were mobile phones in 2007 too, where are those records? E.g. were they ever checked?

Please point to the exact location in the files where the UK citizen's offer to user her phone was rejected as "useless", I can't see it.

With respect, IMO people's "imagination" vs actual facts is a major reason why there's so much mis-information being peddled online with regard to this case.

It is you who is being  'imaginative'  Mrs B, if I may say so 

Not a single witness even claims to have contacted the police that night either by landline or mobile,  other than the Ocean Club receptionist

Records prove that he did not make that first call until 22.41pm,  regardless of his statement

Ah, so we are to "disregard" the statement from the receptionist , are we? Why is that, are there any proof he's lying too?

It does not matter what time he  said he phoned the police from reception ...  the 'hard'  evidence of the phone records prove, beyond question, that he did not make a call to the police until 22.41pm

[ferryman]

Helder Jorge Samaio Luis, receptionist;
"He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again."

I said there are statement contradicting the OC phone records, there were mobile phones in 2007 too, where are those records? E.g. were they ever checked?

Please point to the exact location in the files where the UK citizen's offer to user her phone was rejected as "useless", I can't see it.

With respect, IMO people's "imagination" vs actual facts is a major reason why there's so much mis-information being peddled online with regard to this case.

It is you who is being  'imaginative'  Mrs B, if I may say so 

Not a single witness even claims to have contacted the police that night either by landline or mobile,  other than the Ocean Club receptionist

Records prove that he did not make that first call until 22.41pm,  regardless of his statement

Ah, so we are to "disregard" the statement from the receptionist , are we? Why is that, are there any proof he's lying too?

It does not matter what time he  said he phoned the police from reception ...  the 'hard'  evidence of the phone records prove, beyond question, that he did not make a call to the police until 22.41pm

This was all masterfully untangled by (I think) John on another thread.  There was quite a long delay between the alarm being raised and the GNR being called ...

[Mrs. B]

With regard to the facts of the investigation. Statements show that he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Initially the deponent thought that the child had got lost or disorientated, but as the searches did not produce any results he became increasingly worried.
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The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted, and fifteen minutes later went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken. The deponent thinks that the GNR arrived at the scene at about 22.45, however in a conversation several weeks later, he heard someone say, he doesn't remember whom, that they had arrived at about 23.30, but as he was so busy he declared that he had no notion of the passage of time.

Yes, there is the issue of the "procedure for missing children used by the company" which may account for delays. I'm just curious as to the willingness by some to entirely disregard several statements but highlight others & the possible motives behind that...

[AnneGuedes]

That was Mrs Fenn, Mrs B. It wasn't rejected at all, Gerry told her the police had already been called. More lies 

When you refuse something, as not useful, how do you call that in English, DCI ?

[John]

Anne, why do you post unhelpful and erroneous information stating that we don't know when the alert was made by Kate when we know exactly when it was made?

From several different sources both inside and outside the Ocean Club we know that Kate came running back to the tapas bar a few minutes after 10pm, the exact time when the Smiths encountered a man carrying a child on the other side of town.

As far as the shutters are concerned we also have Matthews rogatory statement to the effect that the shutters were up when he entered the bedroom.

[AnneGuedes]

With regard to the facts of the investigation. Statements show that he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Initially the deponent thought that the child had got lost or disorientated, but as the searches did not produce any results he became increasingly worried.
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The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted, and fifteen minutes later went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken. The deponent thinks that the GNR arrived at the scene at about 22.45, however in a conversation several weeks later, he heard someone say, he doesn't remember whom, that they had arrived at about 23.30, but as he was so busy he declared that he had no notion of the passage of time.

Yes, there is the issue of the "procedure for missing children used by the company" which may account for delays. I'm just curious as to the willingness by some to entirely disregard several statements but highlight others & the possible motives behind that...

22h28 ! You're speaking of John Hill, Mrs B. Why don't you name him ?

[Redblossom]

With regard to the facts of the investigation. Statements show that he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Initially the deponent thought that the child had got lost or disorientated, but as the searches did not produce any results he became increasingly worried.
-
The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted, and fifteen minutes later went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken. The deponent thinks that the GNR arrived at the scene at about 22.45, however in a conversation several weeks later, he heard someone say, he doesn't remember whom, that they had arrived at about 23.30, but as he was so busy he declared that he had no notion of the passage of time.

Yes, there is the issue of the "procedure for missing children used by the company" which may account for delays. I'm just curious as to the willingness by some to entirely disregard several statements but highlight others & the possible motives behind that...

Which proves  Mrs B John Hill could NOT have been at reception  between 10 and 10 15 getting agitated because police werent called as mentioned in another statement, see below, eg its all a dogs dinner and I doubt anyone is ever going to unravel it


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR-SANTOS.htm

[AnneGuedes]

Anne, why do you post unhelpful and erroneous information stating that we don't know when the alert was made by Kate when we know exactly when it was made?

Unhelpful ? Erroneous ? Do I ? Are you sure, John ? Then prove it, starting with Mr Salcedas !