The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[Mrs. B]

Yes, that's exactly what it is. There are CONFLICTING statements & records within the files, just as I pointed out!

[Redblossom]

Yes, that's exactly what it is. There are CONFLICTING statements & records within the files, just as I pointed out!

There is no conflicting records about recorded phone calls though to the police whatver any witnesses say

[Mrs. B]

Anne, why do you post unhelpful and erroneous information stating that we don't know when the alert was made by Kate when we know exactly when it was made?

From several different sources both inside and outside the Ocean Club we know that Kate came running back to the tapas bar a few minutes after 10pm, the exact time when the Smiths encountered a man carrying a child on the other side of town.

As far as the shutters are concerned we also have Matthews rogatory statement to the effect that the shutters were up when he entered the bedroom.

If it's good enough for the AG, it's good enough for me!

According to the GNR, the disappearance would have occurred at about 22.40 (it was later checked that the detection and subsequent alarm effectively happened between 22.00 and 22.10) on 3rd May 2007, in one of the apartments of the Ocean Club resort, situated in Praia da Luz – Lagos, where the British family, composed of a couple and three young children were staying.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

[AnneGuedes]

Yes, that's exactly what it is. There are CONFLICTING statements & records within the files, just as I pointed out!

There is no conflicting records about recorded phone calls though to the police whatver any witnesses say

Yes, and that's a precious fact.
Now doubting it is like saying the PJ tricked the public opinion about the phone calls.
If you suspect it, Mrs B.,which is your right, please say it. I would have nothing else to say.

[Redblossom]

yes, exactly, the detection was said to be 22 00 alot earlier than police were called, the police assumed they were called immediately they werent

[Mrs. B]

I said there are conflicting STATEMENTS & records in the files & it's a fact that there ARE!

[Redblossom]

I said there are conflicting STATEMENTS & records in the files & it's a fact that there ARE!

yes there are, thats why its a dogs dinner and always will be, but you alsosaid there are conflicting  telephone records there were none, its a fact police were not called for over half an hour after the alledged known abduction

[Mrs. B]

No I did not, I said there were MISSING telephone records, it would have been good to know, just as an example, that the police had checked the mobile records of the staff on duty that evening, even if those are not included in the files. But as far as I know, there is no evidence that they did. But I'm happy to be corrected on that point, if anyone has information that suggests that they did.

[Redblossom]

No I did not, I said there were MISSING telephone records, it would have been good to know, just as an example, that the police had checked the mobile records of the staff on duty that evening, even if those are not included in the files. But as far as I know, there is no evidence that they did. But I'm happy to be corrected on that point, if anyone has information that suggests that they did.

you said


We don't know for certain that police was NOT called just after the alert was raised. We have conflicting statements & telephone records. None of which can be discarded.


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There are no conflicting telephone records. the local GNR police  and 112 the equivalent of 999 would have all records, you dont NEED everyones mobile phone records, the 999 phone calls if any were made would have been put through to the local GNR, if there was a record it would be in the files. So you have a choixe, believe police were NOT called until 40 minutes later or believe police doctored the time which seems peurile to even imagine

[Mrs. B]

No, I disagree, I can chose to ponder the possibility that the GNR were indeed phoned earlier as the receptionist said in his statement to police (as I have no reason to suspect him of lying). I can also chose to ponder whether this could have happened by the use of a mobile phone or not. There is nothing in the files that contradict that supposition, so I'm utterly free to consider it, thank you!

[John]

Anne, why do you post unhelpful and erroneous information stating that we don't know when the alert was made by Kate when we know exactly when it was made?

Unhelpful ? Erroneous ? Do I ? Are you sure, John ? Then prove it, starting with Mr Salcedas !

Yes, erroneous.  Jeronimo or Joe as he was called by Ricardo and Ze, has nothing to offer.  Seemingly he didn't notice anything at all until only one woman remained at the table.  So helpful wasn't he? 

Makes one wonder how he managed to serve people their meals without noticing them?

[AnneGuedes]

The GNR has no public cellphone number. Every call arrives on the 282 770 010. You can also send a fax ( 282 770 018).
If someone calls the 112 and if this is not abduction but disappearance, the 112 calls the 282 770 010 and the call is registered. If abduction is suspected, the 112 calls the 282 405 400, the PJ in Portimão.
Now you call the 116000 when a child is missing, all over the EU.
Nothing of this does need very sophisticated devices.

[AnneGuedes]

No, I disagree, I can chose to ponder the possibility that the GNR were indeed phoned earlier as the receptionist said in his statement to police (as I have no reason to suspect him of lying). I can also chose to ponder whether this could have happened by the use of a mobile phone or not. There is nothing in the files that contradict that supposition, so I'm utterly free to consider it, thank you!

Who has ? But you apparently have reasons to suspect the GNR of lying !

[Redblossom]

No, I disagree, I can chose to ponder the possibility that the GNR were indeed phoned earlier as the receptionist said in his statement to police (as I have no reason to suspect him of lying). I can also chose to ponder whether this could have happened by the use of a mobile phone or not. There is nothing in the files that contradict that supposition, so I'm utterly free to consider it, thank you!

Remind me please when this receptionist called police and who he was as its getting numbskull here with all these statements and if he did call police why its not recorded

[Mrs. B]

The GNR has no public cellphone number. Every call arrives on the 282 770 010. You can also send a fax ( 282 770 018).
If someone calls the 112 and if this is not abduction but disappearance, the 112 calls the 282 770 010 and the call is registered. If abduction is suspected, the 112 calls the 282 405 400, the PJ in Portimão.
Now you call the 116000 when a child is missing, all over the EU.
Nothing of this does need very sophisticated devices.

Well, I wouldn't have expect the GNR to phone the receptionist on a cell phone, but  certainly nothing would have prevented the receptionist to call the GNR LANDLINE from HIS cell phone.