The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[Mrs. B]

Or maybe John Hill got the time wrong, or maybe the receptionist, or maybe dos Santos did....that's what is generally referred to as CONFLICTING STATEMENTS.

[icabodcrane]

Or maybe John Hill got the time wrong, or maybe the receptionist, or maybe dos Santos did....that's what is generally referred to as CONFLICTING STATEMENTS.

Just as well we have the phone records isn't it ?   ...  no conflict there ...  just straight-forward fact

[Mrs. B]

No, not really. That's only ONE piece of information, just as witness statements are pieces of information.

[John]

The hotel manager Emma Knight was quite specific about times and said she was telephoned at 10.17pm by Lyndsay and immediately initiated the missing child procedure. 

[Redblossom]

No actually, it's not up to me to pander to your laziness, you purport to have read the files. Have you or haven't you?

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet. He added (the receptionist) that he had phoned the GNR post several times and that he had been told that they would arrive when they could but that they were investigating a theft in Odiaxere. The receptionist asked the witness whether he should contact the PSP, to which the witness replied no as this area belongs to the GNR.

Im not lazy Ive read it all there is  NO PROOF ANYONE rang police, before 10 41 its a fact

[John]

I honestly believe the staff thought that they would find her lurking around the grounds somewhere so delayed telephoning the GNR whom they knew would not be terribly pleased if they were called out on a wild goose chase.

This delay taken with the fact that there was only one police patrol out and they were responding to a theft report many kilometres away added to the whole situation.  By the time the police even arrived on site at 11pm any abductor worth his salt would have been many miles away.

To further add to the delays it was after midnight before the PJ got involved and later still before the order went out to set up road blocks and check the border crossings.

[Mrs. B]

It's a witness statement, there are several, and some of them are CONFLICTING.

[Redblossom]

I honestly believe the staff thought that they would find her lurking around the grounds somewhere so delayed telephoning the GNR whom they knew would not be terribly pleased if they were called out on a wild goose chase.

This delay taken with the delay by police in responding due to the simple fact that they were already dealing with a theft many kilometres away added to the whole situation.  By the time the police even arrived on site at 11pm any abductor worth his salt would have been many miles away.

Bit like madeleine could  have been miles away between 9.15 and 10 pm 45 mins or 75 mins becore police were called, hardly logical to blame police dor losing the golden hour which didnt exist ever

[John]

No actually, it's not up to me to pander to your laziness, you purport to have read the files. Have you or haven't you?

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet. He added (the receptionist) that he had phoned the GNR post several times and that he had been told that they would arrive when they could but that they were investigating a theft in Odiaxere. The receptionist asked the witness whether he should contact the PSP, to which the witness replied no as this area belongs to the GNR.

Im not lazy Ive read it all there is  NO PROOF ANYONE rang police, before 10 41 its a fact

Without all the mobile telephone records we have no way of knowing if anyone called the police on a mobile prior to 10.41pm.

[icabodcrane]

No, not really. That's only ONE piece of information, just as witness statements are pieces of information.

Nonsense

The telephone records are  'hard evidence'

In a court of law they would be used as a factual point of reference

[John]

I honestly believe the staff thought that they would find her lurking around the grounds somewhere so delayed telephoning the GNR whom they knew would not be terribly pleased if they were called out on a wild goose chase.

This delay taken with the delay by police in responding due to the simple fact that they were already dealing with a theft many kilometres away added to the whole situation.  By the time the police even arrived on site at 11pm any abductor worth his salt would have been many miles away.

Bit like madeleine could  have been miles away between 9.15 and 10 pm 45 mins or 75 mins becore police were called, hardly logical to blame police dor losing the golden hour which didnt exist ever

The bottom line is that the resort was ill prepared for such a scenario should it occur in the dark.  There is evidence of people scurrying around looking for torches.   They delayed in calling the police which was the first mistake.

The police patrol was unfortunately quite a distance away and got there in 20 minutes which means that they must have responded almost immediately.   Then the delays seem to have got out of control with another hour lost before the PJ got involved.

[Mrs. B]

No actually, it's not up to me to pander to your laziness, you purport to have read the files. Have you or haven't you?

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet. He added (the receptionist) that he had phoned the GNR post several times and that he had been told that they would arrive when they could but that they were investigating a theft in Odiaxere. The receptionist asked the witness whether he should contact the PSP, to which the witness replied no as this area belongs to the GNR.

Im not lazy Ive read it all there is  NO PROOF ANYONE rang police, before 10 41 its a fact

Without all the mobile telephone records we have no way of knowing if anyone called the police on a mobile prior to 10.41pm.

  Exactly what I've been saying all along. You have witness statements that are clearly quite adamant they DID call the police earlier & the only records on file are the OC land lines. We simply don't have ENOUGH information to discard those witness statements as irrelevant.

[John]

Before we get completely off topic here is draft #7

[ferryman]

No, not really. That's only ONE piece of information, just as witness statements are pieces of information.

Nonsense

The telephone records are  'hard evidence'

In a court of law they would be used as a factual point of reference

Only of the time the call was made.

Not of anything that happened (or didn't happen!) before ...

[icabodcrane]

The only dissimilarity between statements and the latest graph is that you have Russel O brien in the apartment with his partner Jane for almost 10 minutes

Both their statements say that Russell returned to the restaurant almost immediately after Jane had come  to relieve him

Apart from that,  cracking job john