The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[DCI]

After waiting 5 minutes at the Tapas table, not seing Mr McCann by the pool, she went to the flat where Mrs McCann was with the twins. She tried to lift the shutters from the outside (apparently a mania), which didn't prevent her to criticize the preservation of the crime scene by the police.. and stayed there 10 minutes. Then she went back to the Tapas, picked up items and went again to the flat where she saw, this time, Mr McCann.

Where does she say "not seing Mr McCann by the pool, she went to the flat where Mrs McCann was with the twins"?.
You really should stop doing this Anne, and altering to your own words!

- Therefore, she can only say with precision that, at 22.00 Kate McCann returned to the restaurant, seemingly in panic, communicating to others the fact that of Madeleine's disappearance. Asked about the reaction of other members of the group when they heard the above from KATE, the witness says that everyone, except the witness, left the restaurant and went to the apartment of the couple McCANN in order to find out what was going on.
In turn, as relates to her, the witness says she stayed at the restaurant for about five minutes, then, noting that the remaining members of the group had not returned, she followed in the direction of the apartment McCANN.


-She adds that that night, and after the occurrence of the facts under investigation, have been in the the apartment on two separate occasions. At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment. After this time she returned to the restaurant to get her handbag as well as the camera of the couple McCANN and "baby monitor" of her daughter, and was soon back again in the apartment.

- The question being asked about the people that were inside the apartment of McCANN at that time, the witness said that the McCANN couple were present (although on the first occasion she had no recollection of having seen GERRY), and FIONA, not remembering any other people that were there. However, she admits the possibility of their being [others] inside the apartment, including David, in that, as mentioned above, all of them had gone to the apartment following the news that KATE had given.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

[C.Edwards]

Where does she say "not seing Mr McCann by the pool, she went to the flat where Mrs McCann was with the twins"?.
You really should stop doing this Anne, and altering to your own words!

- Therefore, she can only say with precision that, at 22.00 Kate McCann returned to the restaurant, seemingly in panic, communicating to others the fact that of Madeleine's disappearance. Asked about the reaction of other members of the group when they heard the above from KATE, the witness says that everyone, except the witness, left the restaurant and went to the apartment of the couple McCANN in order to find out what was going on.
In turn, as relates to her, the witness says she stayed at the restaurant for about five minutes, then, noting that the remaining members of the group had not returned, she followed in the direction of the apartment McCANN.


-She adds that that night, and after the occurrence of the facts under investigation, have been in the the apartment on two separate occasions. At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment. After this time she returned to the restaurant to get her handbag as well as the camera of the couple McCANN and "baby monitor" of her daughter, and was soon back again in the apartment.

- The question being asked about the people that were inside the apartment of McCANN at that time, the witness said that the McCANN couple were present (although on the first occasion she had no recollection of having seen GERRY), and FIONA, not remembering any other people that were there. However, she admits the possibility of their being [others] inside the apartment, including David, in that, as mentioned above, all of them had gone to the apartment following the news that KATE had given.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm

Er... am I missing something?  You've just exactly confirmed what Anne said and yet you're saying she was making things up.  If she'd seen Gerry by the pool, she'd have mentioned it. She didn't.

[DCI]

Er... am I missing something?  You've just exactly confirmed what Anne said and yet you're saying she was making things up.  If she'd seen Gerry by the pool, she'd have mentioned it. She didn't.

And she didn't say, "not seing Mr McCann by the pool". Who is it complains about context?
What was wrong with quoting Diane's statement, in context?

[Cariad]

This is probably a stupid question, but I can't find the answer, so I'll ask you guys.

Were Clare and Michael Sperrey ever interviewed? According to the Tapas booking forms they had a table for 9:00 pm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_608.jpg

[C.Edwards]

And she didn't say, "not seing Mr McCann by the pool". Who is it complains about context?
What was wrong with quoting Diane's statement, in context?

Anne doesn't say she does say that!  It's not a direct quote, she's just reporting on the movements of Dianne Webster and they exactly match what you've posted in statement form!  One is first person, one is 3rd person.

[sadie]

I no longer have the energy to read the whole thread.  If I am repeating, then I apologise.

Somewhere , I think in the tapas group statements, there is mention of the men and women getting straight up and running to apartment 5A after Kates alert at 10pm.  I think it said that Gerry was in front of the group, then it gives the order of the others as they ran.

Sorry my eyes will not allow me to wade thru the statements again, to post an extract.

[jassi]

I no longer have the energy to read the whole thread.  If I am repeating, then I apologise.

Somewhere , I think in the tapas group statements, there is mention of the men and women getting straight up and running to apartment 5A after Kates alert at 10pm.  I think it said that Gerry was in front of the group, then it gives the order of the others as they ran.

Sorry my eyes will not allow me to wade thru the statements again, to post an extract.

I've not come across that.
What an odd thing for them to say. Almost like to much detail. Why should anybody be concerned over what order they left the table ?

[pathfinder73]

If the Smith family did in fact see Gerry and Madeleine this had to be when Gerry told them to split up and go look for her i.e. during those first searches.

Fiona Payne:
1485    “So having got back from your search around the corner, did you go then straight into the McCANN’s?”
Reply    “Yeah”.
1485    “What did you see when you walked in, describe it?”
Reply    “At that point, Gerry, I don’t think was in the apartment, it was mainly Kate. 

[DCI]

This is probably a stupid question, but I can't find the answer, so I'll ask you guys.

Were Clare and Michael Sperrey ever interviewed? According to the Tapas booking forms they had a table for 9:00 pm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_608.jpg

Sort of.

MICHAEL SPERREY
CLARE SPERREY
 
------ In the main reception (open 24h) of the Ocean Club, the signatory [undersigned] was able to observe a person with long hair, curly, blonde in colour, with camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt, which fit the description of the suspect of the "Rastas", it being that I questioned the receptionist about him, who said that this individual and his wife are guests in the hotel and he has been tireless, since yesterday, in search of the missing girl. Attached are photocopies of their passports as well as the hotel registration form. ----------

[The very last paragraph of my translation of pages 121-125 in /PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm states that they are passport copies of the person identified as the man with 'Rasta' hairstyle, camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt (taken to be the person seen by Jez Wilkins per his witness statement), and his wife. They were resort guests. I have no reference to a formal witness statement from them on file, merely the above identification to eliminate them from the inquiry.]

Signature of official: Duarte F**** - Inspector


And thats ya lot! I wonder why it was in this list?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm#sperrey

[Lace]

While I agree with what you are saying,  what if the plans were running late  because of the inopportune appearance of Wilkins  and the raising of  the alarm couldn't be put off any longer?

It has been suggested that the alarm was raised earlier ( 9.30 ish), so that by 10, Gerry could be out 'searching', rather than sitting at the table.
Another possibility is that a false sighting was being staged to support the abduction senario.

All of the above is purely hypothetical and in no way implies that it is what happened.

How could they eaten their main meals by 9.30?

The waiter said they were all seated by about quarter to nine.    He brought the wine and then they would have ordered a starter they give them about 30 minutes for the starter then they bring the meal.

[C.Edwards]

How could they eaten their main meals by 9.30?

The waiter said they were all seated by about quarter to nine.    He brought the wine and then they would have ordered a starter they give them about 30 minutes for the starter then they bring the meal.

How do you KNOW this Lace? Have you evidence for how long they leave it or are you just guessing?

[pathfinder73]

At the end of the day nobody knows except for the parents if Madeleine was still in the apartment before the McCann's left for the tapas bar at 8.35pm. Did they leave that back sliding patio door unlocked all week or only on the night Madeleine went missing? Kate talked about it being left unlocked with Fiona at the meal.

[Lace]

How do you KNOW this Lace? Have you evidence for how long they leave it or are you just guessing?

No not guessing it's from the waiters statement -

Questioned, he affirms that the group would normally consist of nine people (including Madeleine's parents), and would normally dine around 20H30 and 20H40. They would not all arrive at once and before they all arrived, some would have cocktails. On the day of the disappearance, all were seated at the table between 20H35 and 20H45. He remembers them arriving as usual. Had they arrived late, this would have been noted by the staff. He does not remember if they were served cocktails. When they were all together, the group sat at the table, he took their orders, including the starters. As already mentioned, on this occasion, he would immediately take two white and two red bottles of wine and one bottle of water to the table. Their main courses would normally be ready 25 to 30 minutes after their order—a time they used to consume the starters. After starters, the group would normally spend about 15 minutes finishing the main course. Generally, during dinner, he would serve four bottles of wine (two white and two red), which the group completely consumed. On that day, he did not serve any more wine. It was also normal for certain members of the group to order dessert. After this, they would normally stay at the table until after 23H00 but would always leave before 00H00, the time when the bar closed. One or more of them, on another night, asked for an after-dinner drink. He remembers this clearly because they asked for Amareto and the bar did not stock it.

[sadie]

On that basis they could have finished their mains by 9:30.

All seated at 8:35 (or 8:45), order food, mains ready 25 (or 30) mins later. Mains finished 15 mins later.

So if the order was simple then the whole meal could have been finished by 9:15 or 9:25

In the statements various people tell you when the meals arrived and were eaten.

No doubt there will be some variability in memories.  Some of the checks are arranged around the meal about to arrive ... sort of thing ... but it is there, in the statements, if you are wanting it.   Might be Matts statement, not sure

IIRC, for intance, Jane gobbled her meal and went to relieve Russell so that he could have a meal ... and was that at 9.45?  Needs checking.


Sorry but I have been bashed up and my eyesight will no longer allow me to wade thru all the statements.

[Benice]

On that basis they could have finished their mains by 9:30.

All seated at 8:35 (or 8:45), order food, mains ready 25 (or 30) mins later. Mains finished 15 mins later.

So if the order was simple then the whole meal could have been finished by 9:15 or 9:25

IIRC correctly the Paynes were even later than usual - and Russell(?) passed them making their way down to the restaurant on his way back to the apartment not long before 9.00.      In fact didn't he set off with the aim of hurrying them up - but after they passed him - he decided that as he was half way there, to carry on and make a check.    It was on the way back that he listened outside 5A window      He was a bit put out when Gerry decided to do a check so quickly afterwards - as it seemed as if he didn't trust him - but then he realised that Gerry wanted to do an inside check.

IMO That would seem to indicate dinner didn't begin until at least 9.00p.m.

All from memory - so I'm happy to be corrected if necessary.