The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[faithlilly]

Statement from: Emma Louise KNIGHT

 Occupation: Hotel Manager
 Date: 30th April 2008

At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing. I met Lyndsey and the Service Manager, Amy Tierney, near to the Tapas Bar and we initiated the 'Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child'.

I was told who the missing girl was and at the beginning of the procedure went to the McCann's apartment to obtain the girl's description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared. When I arrived at the apartment, there was a lady on the terrace, whom I now know to be Kate McCann, accompanied by the wife of one of her friends, David Payne. Kate could not say a word, looked very upset and about to cry. It was Mrs Payne who provided me with the details that I needed.

I returned to the location where the leaflets were being distributed and passed on the information that I had gathered about the missing girl. Lyndsey was busy with the distribution of the leaflets and I went to search in the beach area. On my return I passed by the Duke Pub where I met other members of staff who also joined in the searches.

The hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police. John stayed at the location and I several times went to search the grounds. I went with Amy and we searched the highest part of the complex behind the apartments. The search lasted for about 10 minutes and then we returned. At that moment John asked me to go to the apartment the girl had disappeared from and, on behalf of Mark Warner, provide all the help the family might need.

I went to the McCann's apartment, entered by the patio doors and introduced myself to Kate and Mrs Payne. I entered the apartment living room and Kate and Mrs Payne stayed in the main bedroom, from where I could hear them both crying.

The twins were still asleep in the children's bedroom and the door was half open.

A short while later, Gerry returned to the apartment accompanied by Russell. They also entered by the patio doors.

Thank you for this pathfinder. So Fiona Payne knew what Madeleine was wearing around ten o'clock, Tanner told Payne she had seen a man  carrying a child around this time yet the two did not compare what they knew to at least eliminate  Tanner's sighting as being Madeleine. Does that sound believable to you ?

[AnneGuedes]

It would surely only take 5 minutes to walk from the apartment to the location of Smithman.

Less, I did it and it took me 3 minutes.

[DCI]

Thank you for this pathfinder. So Fiona Payne knew what Madeleine was wearing around ten o'clock, Tanner told Payne she had seen a man  carrying a child around this time yet the two did not compare what they knew to at least eliminate  Tanner's sighting as being Madeleine. Does that sound believable to you ?

I presume Fiona would have got the details from Kate. As Fiona wasn't there when Jane told Rachel.

I believe, gerry was present when Jane told the GNR?

Rachael Mampilly interview at Leicestershire Police Headquarters – part I/III

01.19.48 1578 'So what time did Jane tell you this''
Reply 'It must have been about, erm ten past ten or something, quarter past ten I guess'.

1578 'And whereabouts did she tell you''
Reply 'We were just outside her apartment but there was like a space between the apartments, erm sort of courtyard-y bit'.

1578 'From the car park entrance or the pool side''
Reply 'Yeah, no the car park entrance'.

1578 'And who was present when she was telling you this''
Reply 'No just me, just me, cos erm Fi was with Kate and, and Gerry and, well with Kate and Gerry I think and all the boys were sort of, had started to look around and started to, Matt had gone to the Police Station to, no gone to the Ocean Club to phone the Police'.

1578 'What was Janes demeanour when she was telling you this''
Reply 'Erm she was quite shocked, well we were kind of bit puzzled, cos we thought well you know, could it really have been cos Gerry had just been in, erm but it was a bit of a sort of Jane was like, everybody gob smacked really that you know, she could well have seen Madeleine, erm but we did, you know we, we didn't have this discussion about whether it could have been just because of the sort of time of Gerry going in and him standing outside talking to Jez and you know, it would have been, somebody would have had to you know, sort of be very quick, or have been in the room when Gerry had gone in, we didn't talk about that at that time but, you know afterwards, erm obviously that was, I think we kept, yeah I mean we basically came to the conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room when Gerry had gone in to check'.

01.21.46 1578 'Okay'.
Reply 'So anyway Jane and I you know talked about that and, and then I can't remember whether she told, I think she told Fiona then, erm I mean basically you know as soon as the Police arrived, she told, she told the Police'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[DCI]

Less, I did it and it took me 3 minutes.

Wow Anne you did it 2 minutes quicker than Pat Brown. Didn't you have your picture taken, doing that walk?

[pathfinder73]

(well with Kate and Gerry I think  and all the boys were sort of, had started to look around.)

That vague statement doesn't mean Gerry was there. He wasn't at 10.05pm according to Fiona Payne when she went to the apartment to see Kate. And he wasn't there when Emma Knight arrived at the apartment at around 10.20pm. Emma spoke to Fiona with Kate being with her, no mention of Gerry. All the men were out searching for Madeleine.

[faithlilly]

I presume Fiona would have got the details from Kate. As Fiona wasn't there when Jane told Rachel.

I believe, gerry was present when Jane told the GNR?

Rachael Mampilly interview at Leicestershire Police Headquarters – part I/III

01.19.48 1578 'So what time did Jane tell you this''
Reply 'It must have been about, erm ten past ten or something, quarter past ten I guess'.

1578 'And whereabouts did she tell you''
Reply 'We were just outside her apartment but there was like a space between the apartments, erm sort of courtyard-y bit'.

1578 'From the car park entrance or the pool side''
Reply 'Yeah, no the car park entrance'.

1578 'And who was present when she was telling you this''
Reply 'No just me, just me, cos erm Fi was with Kate and, and Gerry and, well with Kate and Gerry I think and all the boys were sort of, had started to look around and started to, Matt had gone to the Police Station to, no gone to the Ocean Club to phone the Police'.

1578 'What was Janes demeanour when she was telling you this''
Reply 'Erm she was quite shocked, well we were kind of bit puzzled, cos we thought well you know, could it really have been cos Gerry had just been in, erm but it was a bit of a sort of Jane was like, everybody gob smacked really that you know, she could well have seen Madeleine, erm but we did, you know we, we didn't have this discussion about whether it could have been just because of the sort of time of Gerry going in and him standing outside talking to Jez and you know, it would have been, somebody would have had to you know, sort of be very quick, or have been in the room when Gerry had gone in, we didn't talk about that at that time but, you know afterwards, erm obviously that was, I think we kept, yeah I mean we basically came to the conclusion that somebody would have had to have been in the room when Gerry had gone in to check'.

01.21.46 1578 'Okay'.
Reply 'So anyway Jane and I you know talked about that and, and then I can't remember whether she told, I think she told Fiona then, erm I mean basically you know as soon as the Police arrived, she told, she told the Police'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Even if Tanner hadn't said this in her May 4th statement :

"As regards these details, she does not know what Madeleine was wearing at the moment of her disappearance, because she did not talk to anyone about this. As she concerns the man she saw, she only spoke to Gerald about this, not entering into details, and to the police."

There was still time for Tanner to speak to Payne of the disappearance before the crèche staff arrived.

[Benice]

Less, I did it and it took me 3 minutes.

Were you carrying a 30lb weight in your arms Anne?

[DCI]

Were you carrying a 30lb weight in your arms Anne?

Nah! Just a back pack 

[AnneGuedes]

Muscle's strength is the privilege of men. Women are left with subtlety.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Muscle's strength is the privilege of men. Women are left with subtlety.

And a lot more besides.

In the famous words of Ginger Rogers regarding dancing with Fred Astaire: 'I do everything he does, except backwards and in high heels.'

[AnneGuedes]

And a lot more besides.

In the famous words of Ginger Rogers regarding dancing with Fred Astaire: 'I do everything he does, except backwards and in high heels.'

[C.Edwards]

Just to put this thread back where it belongs and to make it easy for gilet to find and post this (probably non-existent) evidence on the right thread.

The floor's yours gilet. I've posted the statement of an independent witness saying the alarm was raised at 21:20 and no-one was at the pool at 22:00.

[VIXTE]

I just heard a story about a todays article in foreign papers, not connected with this case, in which a foreign teenage girl was missing in her country, she had 2 mobile phones with her and was actually locked up in an apartment in London, miles away from her home country. She makes a call to her mum,  the abductor took her mobile phone but she had another mobile in her bag.. the Scotland Yard instantly in times of minutesl found her location using the location of  her other mobile phone signal.. they found her!

I am mentioning this just to explain what they are able to do!

So they are able to know everyones location in PDL at that time and also Gerrys.. they can know whether he was at the location of Smiths sighting at any time that night !

[Cariad]

I just heard a story about a todays article in foreign papers, not connected with this case, in which a foreign teenage girl was missing in her country, she had 2 mobile phones with her and was actually locked up in an apartment in London, miles away from her home country. She makes a call to her mum,  the abductor took her mobile phone but she had another mobile in her bag.. the Scotland Yard instantly in times of minutesl found her location using the location of  her other mobile phone signal.. they found her!

I am mentioning this just to explain what they are able to do!

So they are able to know everyones location in PDL at that time and also Gerrys.. they can know whether he was at the location of Smiths sighting at any time that night !

Can they do it retrospectively though? 

[Myster]

So they are able to know everyones location in PDL at that time and also Gerrys.. they can know whether he was at the location of Smiths sighting at any time that night !

And does this not depend on whether the mobile phone was switched off or not ?