The Contradictory Wit Stats Of First Respondents

[Holly Goodhead]

The first officers to respond to MM's disappearance were two GNR officers who arrived at OC main reception:

- Jose Maria Batisa Roque (JR)
- Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa (NC)

They were told by GM, via an interpreter, that MM had been abducted.  They all then went to 5A. 

The officers made clear they entered 5A through the front (wood) door.  Thereafter the statements become contradictory. 

JR claims he searched the entire apartment including the washing machine but notes he did not see the fridge.  He claims whilst he did this NC waited in the hall.  He then claims he searched the area around the apartments and tapas restaurant and told NC to wait by the door.

NC contradicts the above in that he claims he also searched the apartment but unlike JR he claims he searched the fridge but did not see the washing machine.

Neither make reference to the patio doors

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

Contradictory statements will have an innocent explanation unless it’s the McCanns and their friends in which case it’s obviously proof of lies and deception.  Hope that’s cleared that one up for you.

[The General]

Contradictory statements will have an innocent explanation unless it’s the McCanns and their friends in which case it’s obviously proof of lies and deception.  Hope that’s cleared that one up for you.

You're right; it's a two way street that one.

[Holly Goodhead]

Contradictory statements will have an innocent explanation unless it’s the McCanns and their friends in which case it’s obviously proof of lies and deception.  Hope that’s cleared that one up for you.

No it hasn't cleared anything up for me so maybe you could offer something more constructive.

Whatever anyone thinks of *T8, on paper they're well educated and intelligent: 6/8 medi doctors; 1 trained lawyer; 1 marketeer.  If they were involved in MM's disappearance they were more than capable of concocting a compelling narrative which they all stuck to.  If they weren't involved then there's no reason for them to recall the minutiae over mundane events.  The only exception to this being they probably all came to realise leaving the children was madness especially if the apartments were unsecured.  Therefore its possible they may have tried to limit the damage in this regard by over playing the checks carried out and down playing any lax security of apartments. 

The same cannot be said for the two GNR officers.  These people are trained for all eventualities and not to take anything or anyone for granted.  They know they might well be expected to recall events if cases go in certain directions.  Why then do we have two highly contradictory wit stats and how can it be that the unidentified fingerprint originated from NC if he did not have contact with the patio door?

* No idea about DW's background.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No it hasn't cleared anything up for me so maybe you could offer something more constructive.

Whatever anyone thinks of *T8, on paper they're well educated and intelligent: 6/8 medi doctors; 1 trained lawyer; 1 marketeer.  If they were involved in MM's disappearance they were more than capable of concocting a compelling narrative which they all stuck to.  If they weren't involved then there's no reason for them to recall the minutiae over mundane events.  The only exception to this being they probably all came to realise leaving the children was madness especially if the apartments were unsecured.  Therefore its possible they may have tried to limit the damage in this regard by over playing the checks carried out and down playing any lax security of apartments. 

The same cannot be said for the two GNR officers.  These people are trained for all eventualities and not to take anything or anyone for granted.  They know they might well be expected to recall events if cases go in certain directions.  Why then do we have two highly contradictory wit stats and how can it be that the unidentified fingerprint originated from NC if he did not have contact with the patio door?

* No idea about DW's background.

You’re referring to Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee here, not a crack team of SAS operatives. 

[Holly Goodhead]

You’re referring to Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee here, not a crack team of SAS operatives.

What evidence do you have that they were a couple of incompetent fools akin to members of Dad's Army?

What sort of training did they receive and what do their personnel records, or similar, indicate?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568477/Portuguese-police-admit-Madeleine-circus.html

Two police officers involved in the initial hunt for Madeleine McCann have admitted that a "circus" of people trampled through her bedroom on the night she went missing, contaminating evidence that could have solved the case.

The pair - both uniformed officers from Portugal's Guarda Nacional Republicana - criticised senior colleagues for failing to secure the scene, saying: "They regret it because now the whole world's laughing and pointing fingers in disgust, saying how incompetent the Portuguese police are."

The above suggest the two GNR officers were at least mindful of contamination.

[The General]

What evidence do you have that they were a couple of incompetent fools akin to members of Dad's Army?

What sort of training did they receive and what do their personnel records, or similar, indicate?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568477/Portuguese-police-admit-Madeleine-circus.html

Two police officers involved in the initial hunt for Madeleine McCann have admitted that a "circus" of people trampled through her bedroom on the night she went missing, contaminating evidence that could have solved the case.

The pair - both uniformed officers from Portugal's Guarda Nacional Republicana - criticised senior colleagues for failing to secure the scene, saying: "They regret it because now the whole world's laughing and pointing fingers in disgust, saying how incompetent the Portuguese police are."

The above suggest the two GNR officers were at least mindful of contamination.

Did they receive fingerprints from the T9 for elimination purposes?

[Vertigo Swirl]

What evidence do you have that they were a couple of incompetent fools akin to members of Dad's Army?

What sort of training did they receive and what do their personnel records, or similar, indicate?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568477/Portuguese-police-admit-Madeleine-circus.html

Two police officers involved in the initial hunt for Madeleine McCann have admitted that a "circus" of people trampled through her bedroom on the night she went missing, contaminating evidence that could have solved the case.

The pair - both uniformed officers from Portugal's Guarda Nacional Republicana - criticised senior colleagues for failing to secure the scene, saying: "They regret it because now the whole world's laughing and pointing fingers in disgust, saying how incompetent the Portuguese police are."

The above suggest the two GNR officers were at least mindful of contamination.

Thanks for providing the cite so I don’t have to!

[jassi]

Did they receive fingerprints from the T9 for elimination purposes?

No memtion of it in their witness statements. Perhaps it never happened.

[Holly Goodhead]

Did they receive fingerprints from the T9 for elimination purposes?

Certainly GM and KM provided fingerprints.

[Holly Goodhead]

Thanks for providing the cite so I don’t have to!

What in your opinion does the cite support?

[Eleanor]

What in your opinion does the cite support?

Incompetence.

[Holly Goodhead]

Incompetence.

Incompetence by whom?

[Eleanor]

Incompetence by whom?

The Portuguese Police in general.

[Holly Goodhead]

The Portuguese Police in general.

Well that maybe so but in this instance I was referring to the two GNR officers.  Is there any evidence they were incompetent?