Author Topic: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?  (Read 4445 times)

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Online Wonderfulspam

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #180 on: December 02, 2019, 02:08:08 PM »

"Mummy, I've had the best day ever. I'm having lots and lots of fun."

It was the last time Mrs McCann saw her daughter.

......................

Poor Kate, how could Maddie just forget her & about her best day ever.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1559517/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-recalls-last-chat.html
"I bet the parents dunnit" (Me)

Online G-Unit

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #181 on: December 02, 2019, 02:52:45 PM »
"Mummy, I've had the best day ever. I'm having lots and lots of fun."

It was the last time Mrs McCann saw her daughter.

......................

Poor Kate, how could Maddie just forget her & about her best day ever.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1559517/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-recalls-last-chat.html

And it left her pale, worn out and in need of being carried back to 5A. (madeleine)
Accept nothing
Believe no-one
Confirm everything

Offline Brietta

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #182 on: December 02, 2019, 03:04:11 PM »
IMO Moreno's sin is fixation on a girl who is clearly not Madeleine. Furthermore, he was repeatedly tweeting the poor girl's photo on Twitter whilst issuing death threats to Joana Morais & being abusive to others who have upset his apple-cart. His twitter account was suspended last week & his personal  Facebook page has been sanitised.
I am also unsure why the Associated Press Ibiza Airport Evacuation photo pf June 2007 was ever linked to Luiz Moreno. Reports in 2012 stated Frank Bode, the German tourist who took the photo a few months earlier, saw a 7-10yr old girl who resembled Madeleine - not a child as young as the girl in the AP photo. I don't believe we have ever seen Frank Bode's photo which prompted the involvement of Moreno.

Thanks for that Misty.  I really don't know much about the ins and outs of Moreno and nothing of Frank Bode although further reading of the thread might refresh my memory.

As far as Moreno's association with the Ibetha photograph goes in my opinion it is merely one more example of the power of propaganda when a concerted effort by apparently diverse groups combine to develop the narrative.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Brietta

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #183 on: December 02, 2019, 03:20:55 PM »
How is posting pictures of young girls acceptable? Bit weird.
Have you asked her permission?

I recall the photograph now.


If you can provide me with her name and address I'll write and ask her if she gave her permission
(a) to have her photo taken
(b) to have it published in the public domain
   ... although the proper action to take would have been for the police to have been given the image and as many associated details as possible to enable them to investigate.
Scotland Yard were informed in 2012 ... but Madeleine's case was only reopened a year later in 2013.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Online The General

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #184 on: December 02, 2019, 04:01:50 PM »
I recall the photograph now.


If you can provide me with her name and address I'll write and ask her if she gave her permission
(a) to have her photo taken
(b) to have it published in the public domain
   ... although the proper action to take would have been for the police to have been given the image and as many associated details as possible to enable them to investigate.
Scotland Yard were informed in 2012 ... but Madeleine's case was only reopened a year later in 2013.
Slightly over the top sarcasm, but please, feel free to crack on endorsing  / posting pictures of underage  / young girls on the internet.
That self-imposed embargo didn't last, kid.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #185 on: December 02, 2019, 08:27:52 PM »
"Mummy, I've had the best day ever. I'm having lots and lots of fun."

It was the last time Mrs McCann saw her daughter.

......................

Poor Kate, how could Maddie just forget her & about her best day ever.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1559517/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-recalls-last-chat.html

"If you're happy and you know it clap your hands"

“I took them all into their bedroom and Madeleine got into her bed and I settled on top of it with our backs against the wall for our final story.

"'If you’re happy and you know it!’ was a present from her great-auntie Janet and great-uncle Brian.

“[The story goes] If you’re happy and you know it, clap your hands – says the monkey, stamp your feet – says the elephant.

“It seemed so fitting at the time.

“Madeleine was obviously exhausted and her head sank down on her pillow intermittently, although she did join in with the babbled responses of her little brother and sister.

“It’s strange the things you remember.”


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1110159/madeleine-mccann-netflix-documentary-ironic-song-kate-mccann-recalls-spt

https://theoneworldnews.com/europe/madeleine-mccann-how-kate-mccann-recalled-hearing-apartment-was-prime-target/

"About 10 to 15 minutes later, they took the children to the bedroom and they all sat on MADELEINE'S bed to read a story."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Kate: I took them to the bedroom
Gerry: We took them them to the bedroom
« Last Edit: December 02, 2019, 08:31:58 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #186 on: December 02, 2019, 10:00:50 PM »
"If you're happy and you know it clap your hands"

“I took them all into their bedroom and Madeleine got into her bed and I settled on top of it with our backs against the wall for our final story.

"'If you’re happy and you know it!’ was a present from her great-auntie Janet and great-uncle Brian.

“[The story goes] If you’re happy and you know it, clap your hands – says the monkey, stamp your feet – says the elephant.

“It seemed so fitting at the time.

“Madeleine was obviously exhausted and her head sank down on her pillow intermittently, although she did join in with the babbled responses of her little brother and sister.

“It’s strange the things you remember.”


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1110159/madeleine-mccann-netflix-documentary-ironic-song-kate-mccann-recalls-spt

https://theoneworldnews.com/europe/madeleine-mccann-how-kate-mccann-recalled-hearing-apartment-was-prime-target/

"About 10 to 15 minutes later, they took the children to the bedroom and they all sat on MADELEINE'S bed to read a story."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Kate: I took them to the bedroom
Gerry: We took them them to the bedroom
Wow, how compelling.  Not.  Pathetic barrel scraping in truth.
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #187 on: December 02, 2019, 10:06:31 PM »
Wow, how compelling.  Not.  Pathetic barrel scraping in truth.

The McCanns are the last to see their daughter & there's some inconsistency in their account.

But, it's all irrelevant anyways because it woz a German paedo wot dunnit. Or a burglar, or Mrs Fenns niece, but definitely not the McParents.
"I bet the parents dunnit" (Me)

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #188 on: December 02, 2019, 10:21:40 PM »
The McCanns are the last to see their daughter & there's some inconsistency in their account.

But, it's all irrelevant anyways because it woz a German paedo wot dunnit. Or a burglar, or Mrs Fenns niece, but definitely not the McParents.
What , because one of them said I took them to their bedroom and the other said we did?  Gosh, huge inconsistency, I’m amazed the police haven’t hauled them in for cross-questioning again. 
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #189 on: December 02, 2019, 10:35:46 PM »
What , because one of them said I took them to their bedroom and the other said we did?  Gosh, huge inconsistency, I’m amazed the police haven’t hauled them in for cross-questioning again.

Then there's bed clothes.


"She was breathing softly and I thought how beautiful she looked. I thought it was quite hot and I didn’t need to cover her up."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1584584/Madeleine-McCann-complained-to-mother-Kate-about-being-left-crying-alone.html

She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and the blanket, both pink, next to her head.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm
« Last Edit: December 02, 2019, 10:55:22 PM by Wonderfulspam »
"I bet the parents dunnit" (Me)

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #190 on: December 02, 2019, 11:44:44 PM »
Then there's bed clothes.


"She was breathing softly and I thought how beautiful she looked. I thought it was quite hot and I didn’t need to cover her up."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1584584/Madeleine-McCann-complained-to-mother-Kate-about-being-left-crying-alone.html

She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and the blanket, both pink, next to her head.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm
Wowsers.  That’s the clincher for me.  I’m convinced they dunnit now.  Cheers Spam.
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #191 on: December 03, 2019, 12:00:06 AM »
Wowsers.  That’s the clincher for me.  I’m convinced they dunnit now.  Cheers Spam.

Thanks, my pleasure.

Now we both believe that it woz the parents wot dunnit.

But we're going to look mighty silly when SY nail the abductor, shouldn't be much longer now.
"I bet the parents dunnit" (Me)

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #192 on: December 03, 2019, 12:10:29 AM »
Thanks, my pleasure.

Now we both believe that it woz the parents wot dunnit.

But we're going to look mighty silly when SY nail the abductor, shouldn't be much longer now.
Oh well, I’m sure you’ll be able to convince them they’re wrong when you tell them all about the taking the kids to the bedroom and the bedclothes thing. 
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Online Wonderfulspam

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #193 on: December 03, 2019, 12:18:35 AM »
Oh well, I’m sure you’ll be able to convince them they’re wrong when you tell them all about the taking the kids to the bedroom and the bedclothes thing.

Well they've had 6 years & 12 million squids to expend, I'm pretty sure they would have noticed these inconsistencies by now & they'd have ironed all that out when they questioned Kate & Gerry. 
When did that happen again?   
"I bet the parents dunnit" (Me)

Offline pathfinder73

Re: A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?
« Reply #194 on: December 03, 2019, 01:15:28 AM »
Wow, how compelling.  Not.  Pathetic barrel scraping in truth.

There are many inconsistencies in the last hours before the disappearance.

Tip No. 1: Inconsistencies

"When you want to know if someone is lying, look for inconsistencies in what they are saying," says Newberry, who was a federal agent for 30 years and a police officer for five.

When the woman he was questioning said she ran and hid after hearing gunshots -- without looking -- Newberry saw the inconsistency immediately.

"There was something that just didn't fit," says Newberry. "She heard gunshots but she didn't look? I knew that was inconsistent with how a person would respond to a situation like that."

So when she wasn't paying attention, he banged on the table. She looked right at him.

"When a person hears a noise, it's a natural reaction to look toward it," Newberry tells WebMD. "I knew she heard those gunshots, looked in the direction from which they came, saw the shooter, and then ran."

Sure enough, he was right.

"Her story was just illogical," says Newberry. "And that's what you should look for when you're talking to someone who isn't being truthful. Are there inconsistencies that just don't fit?"


https://www.webmd.com/balance/features/10-ways-catch-liar#1

David Payne entering the apartment but he did not according to Kate. David Payne not seeing the open window when he entered the apartment. Kate not looking into the car park for her missing daughter after finding an open window and then abandoning her other children. Kate not checking on the children first when entering the apartment but instead investigating the bedroom door. How the bedroom door moved 3 times between different checks. David Payne not remembering what Kate was wearing when she said she answered the door dressed only in a towel. Gerry doing a check straight after Matt had just returned from checking. Madeleine heard crying by a neighbour for over an hour when they claim to be checking every 30 minutes. Why they claimed the apartment was locked in the day but not at night with children inside. How Jane saw Gerry and Jez but neither saw her on a quiet deserted street. If they were concerned about the unlocked apartment why did they have their backs to their apartment at the table. Why Madeleine was tired on the evening of 3 May 2007 which is complete opposite to the energetic child that never stops. Why no unknown prints were found on the window that was opened. Madeleine was under and on top of covers. How did Gerry see Madeleine in the dark and have his proud father moment when Kate found it difficult to see. When the men first split up outdoors to search where did Gerry search because he has never answered that question except claim that he sent Matt to go to the main reception but according to Matt it was Fiona who told him to go and she corroborated it. Why the only deleted records on their mobiles were from the holiday period in Portugal. How did Matt give a time of 21:50 when Kate left to check and Gerry said it was 22:03 and both were wearing watches. Just quick ones off the top of my head.

Any theory should be backed up by evidence not what IFs.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2019, 01:37:16 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.