Author Topic: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?  (Read 267535 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1200 on: July 02, 2020, 07:11:25 PM »
It takes an understanding of the science. You should research it.

Grime is a dog handler not a scientist....I have a far better understanding of science tahn he does...as does Prof Cassella..who agrees with me

Offline Anthro

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1201 on: July 02, 2020, 07:32:54 PM »
I've never believed her daughter was stolen so, no shame here.
If Madeleine was not stolen, what is your take on her been missing and not recovered?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1202 on: July 02, 2020, 10:43:24 PM »
If Madeleine was not stolen, what is your take on her been missing and not recovered?

Deceased and concealed seems quite likely... and you like to pass judgement on the basis of probability rather than evidence imo so for once I'm sure we'll agree.... (actually more than once but that would be off topic).

Offline Brietta

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1203 on: July 03, 2020, 12:49:30 AM »
Deceased and concealed seems quite likely... and you like to pass judgement on the basis of probability rather than evidence imo so for once I'm sure we'll agree.... (actually more than once but that would be off topic).

There were searches with dogs in the days following Madeleine's disappearance.  Where do you suppose her body was concealed while that was going on?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1204 on: July 03, 2020, 01:09:44 AM »
There were searches with dogs in the days following Madeleine's disappearance.  Where do you suppose her body was concealed while that was going on?

I have no idea. Driven away somewhere, perhaps? Seems no point in trying to guess.

Offline Brietta

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1205 on: July 03, 2020, 01:32:52 AM »
I have no idea. Driven away somewhere, perhaps? Seems no point in trying to guess.

Unfortunately people have been guessing and worse than that, reaching unfounded conclusions for thirteen years. 

I would suggest if the dogs were unable to find a hidden body soon after Madeleine vanished there wasn't one to be found in the environs of Luz.

Similarly, if the victim recovery dog brought over later in the year - and if the dogs brought over by Scotland Yard in 2014 in conjunction with probably thousands of domestic dogs ranging the hills and waste ground on their walkies haven't found a body, there wasn't one to be found.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1206 on: July 03, 2020, 07:48:45 AM »
Unfortunately people have been guessing and worse than that, reaching unfounded conclusions for thirteen years. 

I would suggest if the dogs were unable to find a hidden body soon after Madeleine vanished there wasn't one to be found in the environs of Luz.

Similarly, if the victim recovery dog brought over later in the year - and if the dogs brought over by Scotland Yard in 2014 in conjunction with probably thousands of domestic dogs ranging the hills and waste ground on their walkies haven't found a body, there wasn't one to be found.

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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1207 on: July 03, 2020, 08:37:16 AM »
Unfortunately people have been guessing and worse than that, reaching unfounded conclusions for thirteen years. 

I would suggest if the dogs were unable to find a hidden body soon after Madeleine vanished there wasn't one to be found in the environs of Luz.

Similarly, if the victim recovery dog brought over later in the year - and if the dogs brought over by Scotland Yard in 2014 in conjunction with probably thousands of domestic dogs ranging the hills and waste ground on their walkies haven't found a body, there wasn't one to be found.

Not where they searched, obviously. I think the person carrying a child away from 5a (seen by the Smith family) either had access to a vehicle or arranged to meet someone else that did. This is just opinion - based on my belief she died in the apartment and that no body was recovered in PDL.
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Offline Lace

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1208 on: July 03, 2020, 01:39:11 PM »
Not where they searched, obviously. I think the person carrying a child away from 5a (seen by the Smith family) either had access to a vehicle or arranged to meet someone else that did. This is just opinion - based on my believe she died in the apartment and that no body was recovered in PDL.

It wasn't Gerry he was at the Tapas bar.   The abductor however could have met with someone.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1209 on: July 03, 2020, 03:28:14 PM »
It wasn't Gerry he was at the Tapas bar.   The abductor however could have met with someone.

We've already established that "about 10pm" is quite a wide period and the distance from the Smith sighting to the Ocean Club isn't very far.

We've also established that the statements are all worthless due to the problems in translation. So it's anyones guess what time the Smith's saw Smithman and what time GM was at the Tapas Bar before running off alone to search for the missing child.

The only definitive times given from people who were wearing watches were Oldfield who said Kate's check was 21:50 and GM who said Kate got up to check at 22:03. I wonder if they corrected that discrepency for Control Risks?

Offline Lace

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1210 on: July 03, 2020, 04:24:21 PM »
We've already established that "about 10pm" is quite a wide period and the distance from the Smith sighting to the Ocean Club isn't very far.

We've also established that the statements are all worthless due to the problems in translation. So it's anyones guess what time the Smith's saw Smithman and what time GM was at the Tapas Bar before running off alone to search for the missing child.

The only definitive times given from people who were wearing watches were Oldfield who said Kate's check was 21:50 and GM who said Kate got up to check at 22:03. I wonder if they corrected that discrepency for Control Risks?

Well,  the waiter agrees with Russell about what time he arrived back at the table,  which was quarter to ten.  It took ten minutes for Russell to have his meal back and he had almost finished it when Kate give the alarm.  Dianne Webster says in her statement that Kate said 'she's gone Gerry'  so Gerry was at the table end of.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1211 on: July 03, 2020, 04:35:09 PM »
If I can't find something I don't assume it doesn't exist.

like evidence for abduction

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1212 on: July 03, 2020, 04:47:49 PM »
like evidence for abduction

Evidence for an abduction may exist. It's just that no-one has produced any yet.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1213 on: July 03, 2020, 06:24:26 PM »
Evidence for an abduction may exist. It's just that no-one has produced any yet.
Given that abduction obviously seems very unlikely in your view and that there is no evidence of it in your view, how do you account for the fact that the German police seem convinced Madeleine was abducted?  Are they crazy?  Stupid? Corrupt?  Got to be at least one of those innit.
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Offline The General

Re: Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?
« Reply #1214 on: July 03, 2020, 06:28:00 PM »
Given that abduction obviously seems very unlikely in your view and that there is no evidence of it in your view, how do you account for the fact that the German police seem convinced Madeleine was abducted?  Are they crazy?  Stupid? Corrupt?  Got to be at least one of those innit.
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