Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[Eleanor]

So Gerry only thought that they were unreliable from an evidentiary position and the alerts themselves could be positive alerts, because I believe this was Grime’s and Harrison’s opinions. Interesting.

Gerry McCann has no right to an opinion in your opinion?  Good one is that.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Gerry McCann has no right to an opinion in your opinion?  Good one is that.

Gerry has every right to an opinion, I just didn't know this was his opinion. Anyway its more Davel's opinion that Gerry, Grime and Harrison share the same opinion on dog alerts.

Any luck with that cite, you did tell G-Unit that you could produce it?

[Eleanor]

Gerry has every right to an opinion, I just didn't know this was his opinion. Anyway its more Davel's opinion that Gerry, Grime and Harrison share the same opinion on dog alerts.

Any luck with that cite, you did tell G-Unit that you could produce it?

I would have a word with G Unit if I were you.  I'm still waiting for her Cite.

But don't you ever doubt that I can do what I say I can.

G Unit might be a different story.  Which it now appears to be.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

I would have a word with G Unit if I were you.  I'm still waiting for her Cite.

But don't you ever doubt that I can do what I say I can.

G Unit might be a different story.  Which it now appears to be.

I supplied the cite that you requested from G-Unit, you have it, you read it and responded, you said you could produce yours so please do, I am interested in reading it.

[Mr Gray]

So Gerry only thought that they were unreliable from an evidentiary position and the alerts themselves could be positive alerts, because I believe this was Grime’s and Harrison’s opinions. Interesting.

What about Harrison's statement... No inference can be drawn from these alerts...

[Icanhandlethetruth]

What about Harrison's statement... No inference can be drawn from these alerts...

Inference means reaching a conclusion, so they cant conclude that a body was there but IMO they suspect. Grime said in a documentary that he always trusts his dogs alerts.

[Eleanor]

I supplied the cite that you requested from G-Unit, you have it, you read it and responded, you said you could produce yours so please do, I am interested in reading it.

I don't know if your Cite is the one that I required from G Unit.  Did G Unit tell you to do this?  Or is there more than one Judge who suspects that Cadaver Dogs are not reliable?

My Cite is available on The Internet.  Go and look for it, as I had to do.

Just don't try to take the piss out of me.  I am not a lot of fun when this happens.

[Eleanor]

Inference means reaching a conclusion, so they cant conclude that a body was there but IMO they suspect. Grime said in a documentary that he always trusts his dogs alerts.

Grime was nuts, in my opinion.  Or with an eye to the main chance.  Either will do.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

I don't know if your Cite is the one that I required from G Unit.  Did G Unit tell you to do this?  Or is there more than one Judge who suspects that Cadaver Dogs are not reliable?

My Cite is available on The Internet.  Go and look for it, as I had to do.

Just don't try to take the piss out of me.  I am not a lot of fun when this happens.

Why do you assume I am taking the piss out of you? I am genuinely interested in learning more about what you posted, and yes I did search Google but found nothing so please at least inform me what words to use in the search as nothing came up for me. You said explicitly you can produce it. Help me out here.

[Lace]

Inference means reaching a conclusion, so they cant conclude that a body was there but IMO they suspect. Grime said in a documentary that he always trusts his dogs alerts.

Grime also said this -

Handler Martin said the dogs' sensitive noses could have been picking scents from long before the McCanns stayed at the apartment or used the car.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Grime also said this -

Handler Martin said the dogs' sensitive noses could have been picking scents from long before the McCanns stayed at the apartment or used the car.

Yes they could, or they could be wrong and there was no cadaver scent there at all, or Martin Grime cued the dog. There are lots of possibilities.
If it went to court (it won't) IMO he would take the position of the recent Scottish case where the PC testified on his dogs alert.

[Eleanor]

I supplied the cite that you requested from G-Unit, you have it, you read it and responded, you said you could produce yours so please do, I am interested in reading it.

No, I did not say that I would produce my Cite.  Are you incapable of understanding plain English?  Could as opposed to would.

I said that I have a Cite.  But you appear to have missed the point.  Ask G Unit for her Cite regarding The Judge who thinks that Cadaver Dogs are unreliable.

But you see, this is the point.  Some Judges aren't all that happy with Cadaver Dog Evidence and I don't think G Unit wants to open that can of worms, hence her failure to produce her own Cite.

I personally and as  a Moderator am thoroughly fed up with ridiculous demands for Cites, mostly from persons who themselves fail to produce what they themselves demand.
Now would be  good time to stop doing this.

Merci Beaucoup and How's Your Father.

[Lace]

Yes they could, or they could be wrong and there was no cadaver scent there at all, or Martin Grime cued the dog. There are lots of possibilities.
If it went to court (it won't) IMO he would take the position of the recent Scottish case where the PC testified on his dogs alert.

This is what an ex Police Officer had to say -

Swindells said cadaver dogs can make mistakes when hunting for "the scent of death". In Maddie, Swindells said an alert that cadaver dog Eddie had made on Madeleine's favourite soft toy, Cuddle Cat, appeared unusual and was "bullshit".

[Icanhandlethetruth]

No, I did not say that I would produce my Cite.  Are you incapable of understanding plain English?  Could as opposed to would.

I said that I have a Cite.  But you appear to have missed the point.  Ask G Unit for her Cite regarding The Judge who thinks that Cadaver Dogs are unreliable.

But you see, this is the point.  Some Judges aren't all that happy with Cadaver Dog Evidence and I don't think G Unit wants to open that can of worms, hence her failure to produce her own Cite.

I personally and as  a Moderator am thoroughly fed up with ridiculous demands for Cites, mostly from persons who themselves fail to produce what they themselves demand.
Now would be  good time to stop doing this.

Merci Beaucoup and How's Your Father.

“No, I did not say that I would produce my Cite.  Are you incapable of understanding plain English?  Could as opposed to would.”

So you can produce it but just won’t?

I believe the cite I produced was the one G-Unit was referencing but maybe she can confirm this and then if this satisfies you that it is indeed the judge she was referring to you can provide your available cite that you won’t provide.

Gracias.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

This is what an ex Police Officer had to say -

Swindells said cadaver dogs can make mistakes when hunting for "the scent of death". In Maddie, Swindells said an alert that cadaver dog Eddie had made on Madeleine's favourite soft toy, Cuddle Cat, appeared unusual and was "bullshit".

I tend to agree with Swindells on Cuddle cat, there is a good chance he thought it was a toy to play with. But Swindells has never came out and said Eddies search of the Car or Apartment is bullshit though has he.