Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[Lace]

You are mistaken Lace. Eddie received specialist training in America use human cadavers prior to being deployed in PdL.

So when Eddie alerted in 5a it might well have been to a human cadaver scent.

So how would Martin Grime train Eddie to ignore the smell of pig and alert to the smell of human cadaver?  Eddie had been trained on pig from a puppy,   so how could a dog suddenly not alert to what it had been trained on from a puppy and revert to alerting to human cadaver?   I have posted links to where it is said that there is a difference the smell of human cadaver and pig flesh.   Poor Eddie would not be able to stop what he had previously be trained to alert to.

[Eleanor]

Paid and authorised Grime and his dogs.

Eddie was owned by The South Yorkshire Police.

[Lace]

Or  a dead pig was placed behind a curtain, in a cupboard, in a car all belonging to the McCanns where a child disappeared.   Perhaps the previous occupants could explain this. what the hell were they doing with a dead pig- which let's face it, can't be hidden very well. I mean someone would notice surely. And of course we have to facto in the dead pig wearing soiled nappies...  Just to make THAT story stick.

Now you are being facetious.  Obviously there was no dead pig in these areas, neither was there cadaver scent IMO In the bedroom Eddie dismissed the room and walked away,  if it hadn't been for Martin Grime calling him back he wouldn't have alerted to the room.  IMO Eddie smelt something probably blood that been on something and had then been removed.   Or he decided to bark so that he could put an end to the search.

Eddie alerted to the exact spot that Keela did behind the sofa,  so there again Eddie alerted to blood.

There were families in 5a after the McCann's.

[barrier]

Something else which is worth a read imo.

https://archive.org/details/Cadaver_Dog_Handbook_2000_Forensic_Training_Tactics_for_the_Recovery_of_Human_Re/page/n11

An important snippet substitute road kill to pig and it can be seen the dog can be trained to ignore its initial training.

[pathfinder73]

This from a woman who has trained cadaver dogs -   They'd been using pigs as training aids for years. But as Cablk points out, "If you have a dog trained on pigs, then you have a dog trained to find dead pigs."

ALL cadaver dogs alert to pig so you are not making a point here.

In my role as advisor to the U.S. Justice Department I have facilitated assessment of numerous cadaver search dog teams in the United States. These dogs are exclusively trained using human cadaver sources. When I introduced decomposing pig cadavers into training assessments 100 % of the animals alerted to the medium.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Mr Gray]

ALL cadaver dogs alert to pig so you are not making a point here.

In my role as advisor to the U.S. Justice Department I have facilitated assessment of numerous cadaver search dog teams in the United States. These dogs are exclusively trained using human cadaver sources. When I introduced decomposing pig cadavers into training assessments 100 % of the animals alerted to the medium.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

This is the problem from a scientific point of view. What else would these dogs alert to ...what have they been tested on. Dogs that have been trained on humans alerting to pig denotes  a flaw imo

[pathfinder73]

The only dead animal they alert to is pig.

[Mr Gray]

The only dead animal they alert to is pig.

who said so

[Mr Gray]

The dogs alert to the odour of decomposition...how does that odour vary from animal to animal. have ther ebeen any tests done

[pathfinder73]

They have been tested and SY did not search Luz for a dead pig.


Pigs and primates may be closer than we thought

https://www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/similarities-between-humans-and-pigs

[Miss Taken Identity]

Now you are being facetious.  Obviously there was no dead pig in these areas, neither was there cadaver scent IMO In the bedroom Eddie dismissed the room and walked away,  if it hadn't been for Martin Grime calling him back he wouldn't have alerted to the room.  IMO Eddie smelt something probably blood that been on something and had then been removed.   Or he decided to bark so that he could put an end to the search.

Eddie alerted to the exact spot that Keela did behind the sofa,  so there again Eddie alerted to blood.

There were families in 5a after the McCann's.

" Obviously there was no dead pig in these areas, neither was there cadaver scent IMO"


Obviously?  in your opinion?  well there you have it. Evidence would be better than your opinion.

[Mr Gray]

They have been tested and SY did not search Luz for a dead pig.


Pigs and primates may be closer than we thought

https://www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/similarities-between-humans-and-pigs

the question you cnnot answer is...have the dogs been tested on other decomposing animals.....I cant see taht they have.

[Mr Gray]

" Obviously there was no dead pig in these areas, neither was there cadaver scent IMO"


Obviously?  in your opinion?  well there you have it. Evidence would be better than your opinion.

even grime only says cadaver scent is a possibility

[pathfinder73]

Ask the experts. It is well known that they only alert to pig.

Would you accept a pig's heart?

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140508-would-you-accept-a-pigs-heart

[Mr Gray]

Ask the experts. It is well known that they only alert to pig.

Would you accept a pig's heart?

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140508-would-you-accept-a-pigs-heart

Im happy to accept they alert to pigs...Do thye alert to a dead bird...have they been tested ....NO