Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[pathfinder73]

Let me make it clear for all. There was a bath down there, and we had allegations concerning it, including rape and forced abortion. The dogs reacted in the area of the bath and inside it. Bedfordshire Police forensic experts tested it for blood and the tests were positive.

Lenny Harper

[Brietta]

Just a reminder ~ ZAMPO and Thomas Quick the mass murderer who wasn't.  Read all about it on a forum near to you.

[faithlilly]

There is evidence on record that Grime encouraged alerts

Link please ?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Just a reminder ~ ZAMPO and Thomas Quick the mass murderer who wasn't.  Read all about it on a forum near to you.

And what's your explanation for Zampo's false alerts?

[Vertigo Swirl]

And what's your explanation for Zampo's false alerts?

There doesn’t necessarily need to be an explanation, all that there needs to be is an acknowledgement that “dogs don’t lie” is a load of bull.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

There doesn’t necessarily need to be an explanation, all that there needs to be is an acknowledgement that “dogs don’t lie” is a load of bull.

I dare you to take some drugs past sniffer dogs at an airport 

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Here's some forensic science research.... and for me an explanation is needed. As G-Unit says; "question everything"!!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17403590/

...."Results: The results of this study indicate that the well-trained cadaver dog is an outstanding tool for crime scene investigation displaying excellent sensitivity (75-100), specificity (91-100), and having a positive predictive value (90-100), negative predictive value (90-100) as well as accuracy (92-100). "....

[faithlilly]

Here's some forensic science research.... and for me an explanation is needed. As G-Unit says; "question everything"!!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17403590/

...."Results: The results of this study indicate that the well-trained cadaver dog is an outstanding tool for crime scene investigation displaying excellent sensitivity (75-100), specificity (91-100), and having a positive predictive value (90-100), negative predictive value (90-100) as well as accuracy (92-100). "....

Such intelligent creature. They’re even being trained to detect Covid now.

[pathfinder73]

Shussssh SY used dogs and have never questioned or criticised them. They've had to eliminate everything else because what is left is Smithman, the dogs, new DNA results and the rest of the circumstantial evidence case. Oh and Metodo 3 searched the wrong reservoir/lake! Tut tut 

[Brietta]

According to the conclusions of the SCCRC

• the evidence given by the dog handler was unreliable
• the evidence should not have been before the trial court
• Gilroy would have been found guilty of murder without the dog evidence

Given that I think it may be a long time before dog alerts alone become admissible in Scottish Courts.  Gilroy was convicted on the basis of the evidence against him which I think was substantial.



The Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission closed David Gilroy’s case for a miscarriage of justice part of the basis for which was as follows ...

One strand was fully and professionally examined by the SCCRC.
They concluded that the evidence given by the dog handler was unreliable.
They say that evidence should not have been before the trial court.
However, they also say that the absence of the dog evidence would not have changed the guilty verdict.
http://www.gilroyfamily.info/news.asp

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

According to the conclusions of the SCCRC

• the evidence given by the dog handler was unreliable
• the evidence should not have been before the trial court
• Gilroy would have been found guilty of murder without the dog evidence

Given that I think it may be a long time before dog alerts alone become admissible in Scottish Courts.  Gilroy was convicted on the basis of the evidence against him which I think was substantial.



The Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission closed David Gilroy’s case for a miscarriage of justice part of the basis for which was as follows ...

One strand was fully and professionally examined by the SCCRC.
They concluded that the evidence given by the dog handler was unreliable.
They say that evidence should not have been before the trial court.
However, they also say that the absence of the dog evidence would not have changed the guilty verdict.
http://www.gilroyfamily.info/news.asp

What was this evidence given by the dog handler? How was it unreliable? Is this unreliability connected to Grime and Eddie? Can the same unreliability be transferred to the MM case? We need some context please.

[misty]

https://www.crimeonline.com/2019/06/27/deorr-kunz-jr-search-dogs-give-hard-alert-for-human-remains-near-spot-where-2-year-old-was-last-seen-4-years-ago-investigator-says/

followed by

https://www.kmvt.com/content/news/Bone-found-at-campground-not-related-to-DeOrr-Kunz-sheriff-says-568996501.html


2 different cadaver dogs, trained solely on human decomposition, alerted to a non-human bone. If both of these dogs got it wrong, how reliable is an alert to an intangible odour by a dog trained primarily on pig remains?

[Brietta]

What was this evidence given by the dog handler? How was it unreliable? Is this unreliability connected to Grime and Eddie? Can the same unreliability be transferred to the MM case? We need some context please.

My post is in relation to the murder of Suzanne Pilley and in my opinion is self explanatory in the context of the thread title.

For more information may I respectfully suggest you use the 'search' facility on the forum or make a start in your research at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Pilley

[Vertigo Swirl]

I dare you to take some drugs past sniffer dogs at an airport 

OK, you explain the numerous false alerts by Zampo then.

[Lace]

I dare you to take some drugs past sniffer dogs at an airport 

You can't compare a drug dog to a cadaver dog.   A drug dog can be trained on the scent of each drug.  There are hundreds of scents that come off a cadaver,  different scents to the different stages of decomposition.