Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[Mr Gray]

Because DNA analysis of human cellular material found in some of the places the dogs alerted was "inconclusive". However as you well know - science moves forward at quite a pace.

Didnt Grime make his staement before the results were returned. If Grime was sure about his dogs ..he could have said....Imo the alert was to cadaver odour....he didnt

[Brietta]

Did you ever come across the story that explained the alerts by claiming KM had attended several PMs before the holiday?

The only explanation I recall you discussing was Grime encouraging false alerts (maybe even subconsciously). This makes no sense to me. Why would Grime undermine the dog’s credibility?

Yes I have come across that myth.  And NO Kate never made any such claim. 

The first time it appeared in print emanated from a pal of Amaral's who wrote as follows ...


From Maddie 129:

There are allegations the dogs detected cadaver odors on Kate's jeans and Cuddlecat.
The odor on jeans is justified by Kate by saying she was in contact with six cadavers before she left her 2 day per week job in a general clinic in Leicester.

Maddie 129 … de Hernâni Carvalho, Luís Maia … Edição/reimpressão: 2007 … Launched in Portugal November 9th 2007 … Editor: Prime Books … ISBN: 9789898028617




The next rendition of the lie we owe to none other than that bastion of reliability, Paolo Cristovao who wrote ...

From Estrela de Madeleine:

On the tv monitor, Eddie can be seen sniffing over Kate's clothing and marking that it had been in contact with a cadaver. The reactions of the dogs in the vehicle that had been used by Madeleine's parents can also be seen.                                                                                                                                                                   

At the medical center where I work, in England, before we came on holidays, people died whom I had been in contact with... you must be forgetting that I am a doctor...

- Yes you are - João Tavares replies - and the death rate at the medical center where you work twice a week is extremely high...

- It's true - the arguida replies.

A Estrela de Madeleine … de Paulo Pereira Cristóvão … Edição/reimpressão: 2008   

Launched in Portugal March 19th 2008 …Páginas: 160 …

Editor: Editorial Presença … ISBN: 9789722338905 … Coleção: Grandes Narrativas

[Anthro]

5. RETAINED MATERIALS, material from items (list), Hairs recovered from the fragments of bushes

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

Hairs recovered from bushes is evidence. You were saying what is impossible?

Has it been considered that whoever took Madeleine may have been hiding in the bushes prior to her disappearance?

[Brietta]

No, but if you have the quote...

The point is they didn't go to the supermarket car park, neither did they follow the route Anthro posted.

I will get it in due course, absolutely no rush, it is in the files and it was exhaustively discussed on this forum :)

[G-Unit]

I will get it in due course, absolutely no rush, it is in the files and it was exhaustively discussed on this forum :)

No rush; it places the dogs even further away from the supermarket anyway.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Didnt Grime make his staement before the results were returned. If Grime was sure about his dogs ..he could have said....Imo the alert was to cadaver odour....he didnt

What he was sure of was the need for forensic evidence to back up the alerts.

The DNA analysis of the collected human cellular material was "inconclusive".

[Mr Gray]

What he was sure of was the need for forensic evidence to back up the alerts.

The DNA analysis of the collected human cellular material was "inconclusive".

he could have given his opinion...which he did. His opinion wasnt that the dog alerted to cadaver odour

[Brietta]

No rush; it places the dogs even further away from the supermarket anyway.

I'm actually quite interested in locating the discussion we had about the direction the dogs took when exiting the lane because it was really quite a good and informative one and I am endeavouring to find it.

I did find a quote from you saying that at one time you thought the dogs had 'turned left'.

Anyway you are wrong that a left turn takes the dogs further away.  I just worded my post badly.  Once they had headed left and up ... they turned back and went down hill to the car park ... one crossing the road again towards the tapas.  Which would bring it closer to the supermarket.
Anyway ... enough of dogs for tonight.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Yes I have come across that myth.  And NO Kate never made any such claim. 

The first time it appeared in print emanated from a pal of Amaral's who wrote as follows ...


From Maddie 129:

There are allegations the dogs detected cadaver odors on Kate's jeans and Cuddlecat.
The odor on jeans is justified by Kate by saying she was in contact with six cadavers before she left her 2 day per week job in a general clinic in Leicester.

Maddie 129 … de Hernâni Carvalho, Luís Maia … Edição/reimpressão: 2007 … Launched in Portugal November 9th 2007 … Editor: Prime Books … ISBN: 9789898028617




The next rendition of the lie we owe to none other than that bastion of reliability, Paolo Cristovao who wrote ...

From Estrela de Madeleine:

On the tv monitor, Eddie can be seen sniffing over Kate's clothing and marking that it had been in contact with a cadaver. The reactions of the dogs in the vehicle that had been used by Madeleine's parents can also be seen.                                                                                                                                                                   

At the medical center where I work, in England, before we came on holidays, people died whom I had been in contact with... you must be forgetting that I am a doctor...

- Yes you are - João Tavares replies - and the death rate at the medical center where you work twice a week is extremely high...

- It's true - the arguida replies.

A Estrela de Madeleine … de Paulo Pereira Cristóvão … Edição/reimpressão: 2008   

Launched in Portugal March 19th 2008 …Páginas: 160 …

Editor: Editorial Presença … ISBN: 9789722338905 … Coleção: Grandes Narrativas

Can you put that in more context. I don't know who they are nor how you're certain they are lying. However I have never seen anything by KM which offers up that explanation for the alerts.

[pathfinder73]

Has it been considered that whoever took Madeleine may have been hiding in the bushes prior to her disappearance?

Not unless they were dead or bled for Eddie to alert there.

[Brietta]

Can you put that in more context. I don't know who they are nor how you're certain they are lying. However I have never seen anything by KM which offers up that explanation for the alerts.

One thing which is absolutely certain is that Kate McCann did not say anything about being in contact with dead bodies at her work.  We have two penny dreadful authors to thank for that lie.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

he could have given his opinion...which he did. His opinion wasnt that the dog alerted to cadaver odour

His opinion certainly wasn't that the dogs gave false alerts.

[G-Unit]

I'm actually quite interested in locating the discussion we had about the direction the dogs took when exiting the lane because it was really quite a good and informative one and I am endeavouring to find it.

I did find a quote from you saying that at one time you thought the dogs had 'turned left'.

Anyway you are wrong that a left turn takes the dogs further away.  I just worded my post badly.  Once they had headed left and up ... they turned back and went down hill to the car park ... one crossing the road again towards the tapas.  Which would bring it closer to the supermarket.
Anyway ... enough of dogs for tonight.

The dogs went no further down the street than the Tapas entrance. It was another 100m to the Baptisa;

The dog went into the path on the left, heading toward the main road (Francisco Gentil Martins). Once there, he crossed the street and close to block 6’s wall, turned right, heading toward the contiguous parking area, more particularly toward a light post where he sniffed the ground. After this, he crossed the street again and headed toward the resort’s access zone, sniffing the door which was closed at that time. He again went to the parking zone, but finally lost interest in the search, i.e lost the scent.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

One thing which is absolutely certain is that Kate McCann did not say anything about being in contact with dead bodies at her work.  We have two penny dreadful authors to thank for that lie.

Thanks. Was this before or after her book?

[Mr Gray]

His opinion certainly wasn't that the dogs gave false alerts.

His opinion was that it was possible the dog was alerting to cadaver odour which admits its possible it wasnt...which is a false alert