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Offline faithlilly

Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« on: January 12, 2020, 12:53:12 AM »
An excellent opinion piece from a life long Tory on Johnson’s capacity for lying and why he can’t be trusted.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/11/peter-oborne-s-diary-boris-johnson-s-nhs-lies-my-bulging-dossier-deceit-and

And Osborne’s list of Johnson’s lies.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Does honesty in politics really not matter anymore and if it does why are we prepared to stomach Johnson’s terminal dishonesty ?

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Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2020, 07:21:13 PM »
IMO, of course it is important that politicians should be honest, and I doubt that Boris is the only one who has lied.

Why are we wiling to put up with him?  Many of us are not, but he won the election, so we have no choice--------unfortunately. 


Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2020, 05:44:43 PM »
Pertinent here too.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/the-conservative-party-anti-semitism-crisis-nobody-talks-about/06/12/#.Xh2StSyehxk.facebook
No, because people can’t get over the letterbox comment, it’s kind of boring now.  We expect Tories to be vile racist pigs though don’t we?  It’s a given, so less commentworthy than when a right on, politically correct, inclusive “hasn’t-got-a-racist-bone-in-his-body” saint like JC turns a blind eye to it in his own party.  IMO.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

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Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2020, 06:14:15 PM »
No, because people can’t get over the letterbox comment, it’s kind of boring now.  We expect Tories to be vile racist pigs though don’t we?  It’s a given, so less commentworthy than when a right on, politically correct, inclusive “hasn’t-got-a-racist-bone-in-his-body” saint like JC turns a blind eye to it in his own party.  IMO.

Turns a blind eye ? So far as leader he has put new procedures in place to deal with any claims of antisemitism quicker and has also mounted an investigation into the subject. That you and the vested interests don’t feel that that’s enough is for you to deal with.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2020, 06:41:20 PM »
Turns a blind eye ? So far as leader he has put new procedures in place to deal with any claims of antisemitism quicker and has also mounted an investigation into the subject. That you and the vested interests don’t feel that that’s enough is for you to deal with.
Yes, turned a blind eye, didn’t act fast enough or firmly enough.  Dilly-dallied.  Weak, ineffectual leadership but, hey, this thread is about Boris isn’t it?  I don’t have to deal with anything, Labour do.  Sort it out!!
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

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Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2020, 07:04:23 PM »
Yes, turned a blind eye, didn’t act fast enough or firmly enough.  Dilly-dallied.  Weak, ineffectual leadership but, hey, this thread is about Boris isn’t it?  I don’t have to deal with anything, Labour do.  Sort it out!!


Mmmmmm....not according to many Jewish members of the U.K.

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2020, 07:33:01 PM »
There will always turkeys who vote for Christmas IMO.  I suppose the views of all the Jews who left the party or who spoke out against Corbyn or who were racially abused by other Labour members or who encountered antisemitism within the party don’t count.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2020, 07:49:30 PM »
There will always turkeys who vote for Christmas IMO.  I suppose the views of all the Jews who left the party or who spoke out against Corbyn or who were racially abused by other Labour members or who encountered antisemitism within the party don’t count.

Name them....as I have ? ( please exclude those with preexisting ties to Israel- friendly groups or  organisations ).

BTW are you suggesting that the Jewish people mentioned in my post are too stupid not to recognise they are part of a party which tolerates ant-semitism ? Isn’t that anti-Semitic in itself ?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2020, 08:53:39 PM »

I was hoping not to have to comment, but Jew hating makes me sick to my stomach.  I will never be able to understand this.

But never mind eh!  We don't all feel like that.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2020, 09:03:28 PM »
I was hoping not to have to comment, but Jew hating makes me sick to my stomach.  I will never be able to understand this.

But never mind eh!  We don't all feel like that.

I will never understand any kind of racism.

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Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2020, 09:29:48 PM »
I was hoping not to have to comment, but Jew hating makes me sick to my stomach.  I will never be able to understand this.

But never mind eh!  We don't all feel like that.

Antisemitism might by now have been a thing of the past, had the Nazis won.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2020, 09:35:02 PM »
I will never understand any kind of racism.

And I believe that you don't.  But defining Racism is very difficult, and only too often something as seen as Racism when it actually isn't.

We demean the whole thing without much thought.

I have always been a little on the brown side.  My skin is darker than most English people, but then my father looked like  a Ghurka.  And never anyone more Irish than he was.

I have always been a bit pleased to be a bit more brown.  Crass by half, eh what.


Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2020, 11:10:51 PM »
Name them....as I have ? ( please exclude those with preexisting ties to Israel- friendly groups or  organisations ).

BTW are you suggesting that the Jewish people mentioned in my post are too stupid not to recognise they are part of a party which tolerates ant-semitism ? Isn’t that anti-Semitic in itself ?
Of course it’s not anti-semitic, or explain exactly why it is, then explain why it is not anti-semitic to criticise Jews who left the Labour Party on the grounds of antisemitism while you’re at it.. 

 You want the names of every Jew who quit the Labour Party because of anti-semitism, but on your terms only??  That’s very reasonable I’m sure.  @)(++(*
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is It Important That Boris is a Liar ?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2020, 12:09:11 AM »
Of course it’s not anti-semitic, or explain exactly why it is, then explain why it is not anti-semitic to criticise Jews who left the Labour Party on the grounds of antisemitism while you’re at it.. 

 You want the names of every Jew who quit the Labour Party because of anti-semitism, but on your terms only??  That’s very reasonable I’m sure.  @)(++(*

The amount that I have posted who support Corbyn and the Labour Party will do.