White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2

[John]

So WHF has two possibilities Sheila or Jeremy.

Ultimately yes but the evidence taken together rules Sheila out completely.  The location of the bullet casings reveals what went on the night the family were murdered. We know exactly what went on after the gunman entered the master bedroom. The only part we don't know is where Sheila was when her adoptive parents were being murdered or at what stage the twins were murdered.

[barrier]

Ultimately yes but the evidence taken together rules Sheila out completely.  The location of the bullet casings reveals what went on the night the family were murdered. We know exactly what went on after the gunman entered the master bedroom. The only part we don't know is where Sheila was when her adoptive parents were being murdered or at what stage the twins were murdered.

To me the and how Sheila has been described she wouldn't have the wherewithal to use a silencer,a well thought out and planned executioner would do that imo.

[John]

To me the and how Sheila has been described she wouldn't have the wherewithal to use a silencer,a well thought out and planned executioner would do that imo.

Spot on barrier. Any novice would have fired off shots all over the place too but these were carefully placed shots intended to execute. It takes a particularly depraved cold-blooded psychopath to execute two small children as they slept.

[John]

Just managed to view part 2 this evening and it comes across very clearly how domineering DCI Taff Jones was. It says a lot for DS Stan Jones that he wasn't prepared to let that Welsh twit get the better of him. Stan Jones was an absolute hero in my book, a real copper to the end.

[Myster]

Just managed to view part 2 this evening and it comes across very clearly how domineering DCI Taff Jones was. It says a lot for DS Stan Jones that he wasn't prepared to let that Welsh twit get the better of him. Stan Jones was an absolute hero in my book, a real copper to the end.

I think Taff's portrayal was way too OTT, with gratuitous head-butting of Stan and belittling Peter Vanezis.  Can't take that too seriously myself...

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[John]

I think Taff's portrayal was way too OTT, with gratuitous head-butting of Stan and belittling Peter Vanezis.  Can't take that too seriously myself...

Possibly. Given that both Taff and Stan are deceased, I wonder where the scriptwriters got the insight from to make such a strong portrayal?

Most of part 2 is stuff we already know about but it would have been useful if they had given more background to Jeremy Bamber and in particular his exploits down under and the theft and criminal damage at Osea Caravan Park.  They also appear to have totally ignored his drug dealing exploits while in cahoots with Muggy.

[Myster]

Another review, from the Financial Times would you believe... https://www.ft.com/content/86ef4f86-378b-11ea-a6d3-9a26f8c3cba4

[Myster]

Possibly. Given that both Taff and Stan are deceased, I wonder where the scriptwriters got the insight from to make such a strong portrayal?

Most of part 2 is stuff we already know about but it would have been useful if they had given more background to Jeremy Bamber and in particular his exploits down under and the theft and criminal damage at Osea Caravan Park.  They also appear to have totally ignored his drug dealing exploits while in cahoots with Muggy.

Maybe the producers refrained from showing the actual shooting for Colin Caffell's and the relatives' sake, so had to make it more aggressive and gripping in other ways.

Their budget might not have stretched to giving freebie holidays in Oz for Freddie Fox and Alfie Allen. 

[Myster]

Well, not one he could express. The rifle must have already had 5 bullets loaded - which shows that the rabbit story is rubbish.

Bamber said that the magazine was empty before he loaded it.  Read his statement carefully...

[Myster]

A box of the Eley .22 cartridges of the same type and period, and the thirty cgs and box discovered on the kitchen worktop...

[Caroline]

Yes lawyers for defence and prosecution along with trial judge agreed perp was either JB or SC and no other possibility existed.  This was due to the fact the property was found secured from within but the prosecution was able to argue JB knew of a way of closing a window shut behind him causing it to become secured from within!  A pity jurors were not taken to White House Farm to see how this worked in practice! 

Of course all sorts of nutty people put forward bizarre theories involving mystery third persons but in reality twas JB or SC.

And the alleged phone call.

[Caroline]

Possibly. Given that both Taff and Stan are deceased, I wonder where the scriptwriters got the insight from to make such a strong portrayal?

Most of part 2 is stuff we already know about but it would have been useful if they had given more background to Jeremy Bamber and in particular his exploits down under and the theft and criminal damage at Osea Caravan Park.  They also appear to have totally ignored his drug dealing exploits while in cahoots with Muggy.

I don't think it was made for the likes of us John, it's more for people who don't know anything (or very little) about it.

[Myster]

I don't think it was made for the likes of us John, it's more for people who don't know anything (or very little) about it.

Like these two who couldn't give a fig... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X4639fu6Y8&

[Holly Goodhead]

Having followed this Forum for a very long time, I think it is fair to say that Holly knows what she is talking about when it comes to The Bamber Case.

Thanks.  Are you trying to encourage me back here rather than over there!?

[Holly Goodhead]

I think some people don't realise the shock and pain inflicted on the body after a gunshot and especially one to the neck. Had Sheila shot herself she would have been rendered unconscious or rolling all over the floor in agony with blood going everywhere and especially on her hands and fingers. None of that happened here, there were no blood smears anywhere on her face or neck, she certainly didn't react to the first shot which suggests she was rendered incapable of responding.

I don't think you can generalise about the above as it surely depends on velocity of firearm and site of wound(s)?  In any event the pathologist has always made clear SC's found state was consistent with suicide.