White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 2

[Myster]

NB was not shot in the bedroom.  Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to write down all the known facts and ask themselves how it could be done.  Known facts:

- None of NB's blood found in bedroom
- No casings in bedroom attributable to NB's wounds
- Distance of shots
- Trajectories
- Wound tracks

The idea JB stood around the entrance to the main bedroom shooting wildly at June hitting her limbs and allowed NB to by-pass only to then shoot him twice in the rear: shoulder and elbow and then a scuffle ensued in the kitchen is nonsense.  And where was SC when all this was going on.

Yes he was!  No casings on the stairs attributable to Nevill, and distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks are just as plausible and fully explainable if he was shot in the bedroom instead of on the stairs.

Bamber's shots appeared to be wild because his parents were moving targets, and Sheila was in bed, doped up with Haldol.

[Myster]

In theory jurors are representative of the population at large but I'm not sure this is true today given many legal immigrants are not eligible to vote in elections?  I say this on the basis a Polish friend was not eligible to vote in the referendum.

Many often make sexist comments about the two dissenters in the Bamber case eg females taken in by JB's looks when in reality they might just have been super detailed people capable of forensic analysis of the salient points.

I wouldn't be surprised... women being from the planet Venus an' all that.

[Myster]

The law is not on your side with this one.  As in this case the perp was one of two: David or Robin,  both of whom were experienced with the . 22 rifle, and used only 8 cartridges to fatally wound 5.  Contrast this with the 25/26 cartridges used at WHF.  And some of the victims sustained one gunshot wound only which shows Angelo is wrong with his assertion that the Anshutz is low powered requiring multiple shots to cause a fatality.  Multiple shots were fired as the perp was an inexperienced shooter.

The Kiwi government don't agree with you.  It was DB's rifle, kept in a wardrobe of his bedroom, only he knew where the trigger-lock key was hidden, his mother's damaged specs which he wore the previous weekend were found on a chair in his bedroom and its missing lens discovered on the floor of his younger brother's bedroom. Then there was his brother's blood found on DB's shorts, that phony phone call when he feigned distress, the washing of blood-stained clothes which he claims not to have noticed.  I could go on, but why bother... Bain succeeded in getting a hefty payoff and is living happily ever after.

[Holly Goodhead]

Yes he was!  No casings on the stairs attributable to Nevill, and distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks are just as plausible and fully explainable if he was shot in the bedroom instead of on the stairs.

Bamber's shots appeared to be wild because his parents were moving targets, and Sheila was in bed, doped up with Haldol.

No he wasn't.  Had the murders taken place in the 21st century WHF would have been preserved as a soc until long after the trial.  A team of experts would have been deployed comprising ballistics, biologist, patholgist and soc analysts.  These experts combined would be able to say with certainly who was shot where and the position of perp when firearm was discharged.  Jurors and judge would have been taken to WHF to see for themselves how events unfolded.  Computerised models might well have been created too. The fact such analysis hasn't taken place to date doesn't mean to say its not going to happen in the future.  Soc images depict blood stains and casings.  Measurements of rooms can be taken along with fixtures, fittings and furniture from soc images.  The pathology report provides detail of victims' height along with trajectories and wound tracks all of which will show it was scientifically impossible that the perp burst into NB and June's bedroom and opened fire on a slumbering NB.

The level of Haloperidol in SC's system evidenced by toxicology report is inconsistent with her being drowsy.

[Holly Goodhead]

The Kiwi government don't agree with you.  It was DB's rifle, kept in a wardrobe of his bedroom, only he knew where the trigger-lock key was hidden, his mother's damaged specs which he wore the previous weekend were found on a chair in his bedroom and its missing lens discovered on the floor of his younger brother's bedroom. Then there was his brother's blood found on DB's shorts, that phony phone call when he feigned distress, the washing of blood-stained clothes which he claims not to have noticed.  I could go on, but why bother... Bain succeeded in getting a hefty payoff and is living happily ever after.

In which case why was DB's conviction overturned and how come he received hefty financial compensation?

There's a separate board for this case.  I introduced it here to show Angelo is wrong in his assertions that a. 22 is incapable of fatally wounding with one shot.

[Myster]

The level of Haloperidol in SC's system evidenced by toxicology report is inconsistent with her being drowsy.

Try telling that to Colin Caffell. He knew Sheila much better than you in the days before, as did her best friend Tora Tomkinson.

[Myster]

In which case why was DB's conviction overturned and how come he received hefty financial compensation?

There's a separate board for this case.  I introduced it here to show Angelo is wrong in his assertions that a. 22 is incapable of fatally wounding with one shot.

The Kiwi government had the good sense to stop filling Bain's bottomless money-pot of legal fees, so saving their taxpayers from even more expense.

[Holly Goodhead]

Try telling that to Colin Caffell. He knew Sheila much better than you in the days before, as did her best friend Tora Tomkinson.

I prefer to rely on the experts.  Toxicology tests show the level of Haloperidol in SC's system inconsistent with drowsiness.  In any event drowsy or not it doesn't detract from all the physical evidence at soc which shows NB did not sustain any gsw's in his bedroom.

[Myster]

I prefer to rely on the experts.  Toxicology tests show the level of Haloperidol in SC's system inconsistent with drowsiness.  In any event drowsy or not it doesn't detract from all the physical evidence at soc which shows NB did not sustain any gsw's in his bedroom.

That's nonsense and you know it.

[Holly Goodhead]

That's exactly what Bamber thought but he and you are wrong. A single .22 round will not always kill a human and that is why Bamber fired several shots into most of his victims. Had a novice like Sheila used that rifle very few shots would have been on target.  And regardless, it's sheer fantasy to think Sheila could ever have fought with her father and not ended up with injuries to herself or his blood all over her. It's all very silly imo to promote such a proposition and most people can see that now.

So Newton's physics are all wrong too then?

The Home Office has calculated that a force of 3 - 4 joules is required to inflict a penetrating wound, point 26:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/9504.htm

The cartridges used at WHF weigh 2.59 grammes with a muzzle velocity of 1040 ft/s.

Kinetic Energy is 1/2 mv squared

Kinetic energy is 130.127 joules.

Joules required to inflict penetrating wound is 3 - 4 joules

Joules produced by muzzle velocity of cartridges used at WHF is 130.127 joules meaning one gunshot wound to the head with the hollow nosed bullets would be lethal.  25/26 were discharged because the perp was inexperienced with firearms.

[Nicholas]

So Newton's physics are all wrong too then?

The Home Office has calculated that a force of 3 - 4 joules is required to inflict a penetrating wound, point 26:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/9504.htm

The cartridges used at WHF weigh 2.59 grammes with a muzzle velocity of 1040 ft/s.

Kinetic Energy is 1/2 mv squared

Kinetic energy is 130.127 joules.

Joules required to inflict penetrating wound is 3 - 4 joules

Joules produced by muzzle velocity of cartridges used at WHF is 130.127 joules meaning one gunshot wound to the head with the hollow nosed bullets would be lethal.  25/26 were discharged because the perp was inexperienced with firearms.

Does your CV read like Alan Blackers Holly?

[Nicholas]

So Newton's physics are all wrong too then?

Explain

[Nicholas]

meaning one gunshot wound to the head with the hollow nosed bullets would be lethal.

 

Have you forgotten Bamber shot his sister twice

You appear to get so carried away in presenting your arguments Holly that your contradictions seem to  pass you by

Shall we put it down to cognitive dissonance or that you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about?

[Holly Goodhead]

That's nonsense and you know it.

No it isn't as evidenced by the toxicology report:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=207.0

Liver is 0.55 micrograms per gram

Blood is15 nanograms per millilitre

The above levels are consistent with a dose at the low end of the medium range as discussed here many times.

[Nicholas]

No it isn't as evidenced by the toxicology report:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=207.0

Liver is 0.55 micrograms per gram

Blood is15 nanograms per millilitre

The above levels are consistent with a dose at the low end of the medium range as discussed here many times.

Back up and explain your previous mistake above before confusing yourself further