White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

[barrier]

The physical evidence at soc doesn't support JB.

Being innocent? the phone how did Neville supposedly phone him,with a damaged tongue,no blood splatter on the phone was there? was it plugged in?

[Nicholas]

I believe DS Jones used guilt by association on JM.

 

[Nicholas]

I believe DS Jones used guilt by association on JM.

The Brain Can Work Against Abuse Victims

”For some men and women, love will be dangerous because of their mate choice. They fell for a partner who seemed like a safe match in the beginning. However, over time a darkness infested the relationship. Before they knew it, the rings of control were in place; growing tighter and tighter by the day. Toxic partners can destroy lives.

What causes someone to violate a person they claimed to love? There are many reasons, for example, substance or alcohol abuse, a neurological condition impacting behavior, or a disorder of character such as [ censored word]ocial personality/ psychopathy, borderline personality disorder, or narcissistic personality disorder.

Although the reasons may vary, the painful reality and outcome for many victims are the same. He or she will suffer. And to make matters worse many of those individuals will find it nearly impossible to walk away. (Aunt Agatha is an example imo) The neurochemistry of love and attachment, particularly in the presence of abuse, can seal a victim to a grim future with a malignant partner.

You might think, they should simply walk away — leave immediately. They do not have to stay with someone who frightens, controls, or intimidates them. That solution is the logical and best approach to an abusive situation. However, the natural functioning of our brain can prevent that from happening. Let's look at why.

Common Reactions of the Brain to an Abuser
Several important ingredients that contribute to someone's "addiction" to their abuser are oxytocin (bonding), endogenous opioids (pleasure, pain, withdrawal, dependence), corticotropin-releasing factor (withdrawal, stress), and dopamine (craving, seeking, wanting). With such strong neurochemistry in dysregulated states, it will be extremely difficult to manage emotions or make logical decisions.
Courtesy of Rhonda Freeman PhD

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/neurosagacity/201701/the-brain-can-work-against-abuse-victims

[Holly Goodhead]

Being innocent? the phone how did Neville supposedly phone him,with a damaged tongue,no blood splatter on the phone was there? was it plugged in?

The UK judicial system isn't based on being innocent.  It's based on being either not guilty or guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

The physical evidence at soc by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks all support NB downstairs on the phone to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June.  NB drops the phone, runs upstairs and sustains the two gunshot wounds to his face, he turns to return downstairs and is the shot twice in the rear.  NB returns to the kitchen followed by SC.

I've sent G-Unit a pm encouraging her over here as it will be interesting to see what she makes of it all.

[Nicholas]

The physical evidence at soc by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks all support NB downstairs on the phone to JB

There was no phone-call from NB - nor does evidence exist of one

The phone-call was/is a myth created by Bamber

‘Repeating lies makes people believe they are true https://bigthink.com/mind-brain/repeating-lies-people-believe-true-studies

[APRIL]

Wouldn't have stayed where?

She was only 20 yoa at the time of the murders and still completing her masters?

Did she want anything long-term with JB in rural Essex?

Wouldn't have stayed in the relationship.

I know, but she wouldn't have been the first woman to change her life for a man. Masters could have been put on hold.

This was the point I was trying to make. She must have been serious about her relationship with him -kidded herself he felt the same?- to have stayed in it given the circumstances.

[Nicholas]

'I cared for and loved Sheila' - Jeremy Bamber speaks about relationship with sister - East Anglian Daily Times
3 hours ago · Jeremy Bamber has opened up about his relationship with sister Sheila Caffell, who police and the media initially believed to be responsible for the murders at White House Farm. ... Bamber, who has always maintained his innocence, was convicted of killing sister Sheila, her twin six ...

If anyone has a link to the above please post

https://newstral.com/en/article/en/1144917320/-i-cared-for-and-loved-sheila-jeremy-bamber-speaks-about-relationship-with-sister

Could this story have been pulled because of a legal breach?

[Miss Taken Identity]

The UK judicial system isn't based on being innocent.  It's based on being either not guilty or guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

The physical evidence at soc by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks all support NB downstairs on the phone to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June.  NB drops the phone, runs upstairs and sustains the two gunshot wounds to his face, he turns to return downstairs and is the shot twice in the rear.  NB returns to the kitchen followed by SC.

I've sent G-Unit a pm encouraging her over here as it will be interesting to see what she makes of it all.

"The physical evidence at soc by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks all support NB downstairs on the phone to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June.

So no silencer was used? did this not wake the twins?

 NB drops the phone, runs upstairs and sustains the two gunshot wounds to his face, he turns to return downstairs and is the shot twice in the rear.

Why go downstairs why not run into protect the twins (were they dead already- if so why not run upstairs on the first gun shot being fired.)

 NB returns to the kitchen followed by SC. "

To tell bamber his sister was killing everyone.


I do not believe there was a phone call at all, there doesn't seem to be a record of it from the land lines.
There also seems to be a strange reaction to this, what must have been distressing call, not to call 999 but to look up local police office?

[barrier]

You could ask that question about any miscarriage of justice?  Many of which involve fabricated evidence/testimony/non-disclosure.
 
I think you mean Sheila?  She told her psychiatrist she thought they would harm her and have sex with her.  She thought Nicholas was capable of becoming a murderer.

The pathologist was not surprised about a woman of SC's build inflicting NB's wounds.

This turns her into a murderess?

[barrier]

The UK judicial system isn't based on being innocent.  It's based on being either not guilty or guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

The physical evidence at soc by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks all support NB downstairs on the phone to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June.  NB drops the phone, runs upstairs and sustains the two gunshot wounds to his face, he turns to return downstairs and is the shot twice in the rear.  NB returns to the kitchen followed by SC.

I've sent G-Unit a pm encouraging her over here as it will be interesting to see what she makes of it all.

10-2,the jury was satisfied beyond reasonable doubt,how can Bamber not have carried out these crimes?

[Myster]

There was no phone-call from NB - nor does evidence exist of one

The phone-call was/is a myth created by Bamber

‘Repeating lies makes people believe they are true https://bigthink.com/mind-brain/repeating-lies-people-believe-true-studies

"The physical evidence at soc by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks all support NB downstairs on the phone to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June.

So no silencer was used? did this not wake the twins?

 NB drops the phone, runs upstairs and sustains the two gunshot wounds to his face, he turns to return downstairs and is the shot twice in the rear.

Why go downstairs why not run into protect the twins (were they dead already- if so why not run upstairs on the first gun shot being fired.)

 NB returns to the kitchen followed by SC. "

To tell bamber his sister was killing everyone.


I do not believe there was a phone call at all, there doesn't seem to be a record of it from the land lines.
There also seems to be a strange reaction to this, what must have been distressing call, not to call 999 but to look up local police office?

Only one person can be telling the truth.  I wonder who?...

https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/jeremy-bamber-fathers-alleged-phone-call

or...

https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/colin-caffell-audio-on-jeremy-bamber

[Nicholas]

Only one person can be telling the truth.  I wonder who?...

https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/jeremy-bamber-fathers-alleged-phone-call

or...

https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/colin-caffell-audio-on-jeremy-bamber

 

[barrier]

Only one person can be telling the truth.  I wonder who?...

https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/jeremy-bamber-fathers-alleged-phone-call

or...

https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/colin-caffell-audio-on-jeremy-bamber

Why the emphasis on "the" gun.

[mrswah]

10-2,the jury was satisfied beyond reasonable doubt,how can Bamber not have carried out these crimes?

Juries do sometimes get it wrong! 

[barrier]

Juries do sometimes get it wrong!

One of two people did this crime,I'll ask again why couldn't Bamber have done it,what is the reasoning behind his supposed innocence? Is there something not presented to the court which would allow the Jury to reach a different conclusion.