White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

[Nicholas]

It’s been online for 3 years or more and hasn’t even reached 10,000 signatures - since the ITV drama it’s had all of about 30-40 add ons (haven’t counted the exact amount)

Bamber supporters are few and far between of that there’s no doubt

[Holly Goodhead]

Thank you Myster for this.  Yes, I am now convinced that there was no phone call.

His dad calls to say your sister has gone mad  she has THE gun  (the gun) strange terminology regarding recognising it was dads voice ?  why not say' my dad called me' Anyway, upon hearing this terrible news he hung up... then phoned back?????  WTF  why?  to ask if he wanted him to do something or call the police?

Rewind- deranged woman shooting people in house, there are children in there. call back to ask if they need anything. got the engaged tone? looked up local police number instead of 999.

JB=Guilty as hell!

JB didn't say he hung up. He said the line went dead so he then attempted to reconnect with his father and the line was engaged.

[Nicholas]

If ‘he left the call to JB’ after hearing ‘SC’s’ first shot fired upstairs - why was he on the phone in the first place?

Back up Holly

Answer the above before you get ahead of yourself

JB didn't say he hung up. He said the line went dead so he then attempted to reconnect with his father and the line was engaged.

You’ve got NB on the phone to Bamber before the ‘first’ shot

[Nicholas]

Bamber has rehearsed the phony call scenario so many times that he has it of pat to correlate with his statement.

But in reality it makes no logical sense

Only one person can be telling the truth.  I wonder who?...

https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/jeremy-bamber-fathers-alleged-phone-call

or...

https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/colin-caffell-audio-on-jeremy-bamber

[Holly Goodhead]

What evidence supports a phone call?

The physical evidence at soc that has been pored over numerous times: blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  All this evidence supports JB's version of events: NB was on the phone; the perp opened fire on June upstairs; NB run upstairs and appeared on the landing with the perp stood just inside the bedroom; perp inflicts the two facial gunshot wounds to NB. NB turns to retreat downstairs and when facing the bottom of the stairs he is shot twice in the rear.  Perp follows NB to the kitchen where he is beaten and sustains the 4 head shots.

How does the above fit with JB as perp?  If JB was perp what would NB be doing on the landing facing the entrance to the bedroom?  And why would JB squander 5 or 6 bullets on June hitting her limbs.  I say 5 or 6 as it wasn't even determined at trial whether or not a bruise was caused by a bullet and if so whether this was a ricocheted bullet or not.

[Holly Goodhead]

It’s been online for 3 years or more and hasn’t even reached 10,000 signatures - since the ITV drama it’s had all of about 30-40 add ons (haven’t counted the exact amount)

Bamber supporters are few and far between of that there’s no doubt

I believe JB is innocent but haven't signed it.

[Nicholas]

NB was on the phone; the perp opened fire on June upstairs; NB run upstairs

Why was NB on the phone if the “first’ shot has yet to be fired?

[Holly Goodhead]

Back up Holly

Answer the above before you get ahead of yourself

You’ve got NB on the phone to Bamber before the ‘first’ shot

How many more times do you expect me to ask you to refrain from making comments of a personal nature?  Please just ask the question without all the add-one's.

[Holly Goodhead]

Back up Holly

Answer the above before you get ahead of yourself

You’ve got NB on the phone to Bamber before the ‘first’ shot

NB called JB before any shots were fired.  When SC opened fire upstairs on June NB left the phone to JB and went upstairs.

If you think JB is guilty please provide your scenario based on the blood stains, location of casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.

[Holly Goodhead]

Why was NB on the phone if the “first’ shot has yet to be fired?

Because according to JB, NB told him "Sheila's gone crazy she's got the gun".

[steve_trousers]

According to JM's later wit stats she was told by JB on 7th Aug he arranged for Matthew Macdonald to carry out the murders.  The following day she identified the victims at the morgue. And it was a month later, when JB dumped her, she told DS Jones what he wanted to hear.

So her conscience had been unravelling for around a month. She told DS Jones the truth.

Bamber brought MacDonald into it to put some distance between himself and the murders as Julie was clearly rattled

[steve_trousers]

Thank you Myster for this.  Yes, I am now convinced that there was no phone call.

His dad calls to say your sister has gone mad  she has THE gun  (the gun) strange terminology regarding recognising it was dads voice ?  why not say' my dad called me' Anyway, upon hearing this terrible news he hung up... then phoned back?????  WTF  why?  to ask if he wanted him to do something or call the police?

Rewind- deranged woman shooting people in house, there are children in there. call back to ask if they need anything. got the engaged tone? looked up local police number instead of 999.

JB=Guilty as hell!

Bamber painted himself into a corner with that 3 AM call. It excluded the possibility of a 3rd party being involved because if he was telling the truth, there was no need to lie about the contents of that phone call.

Nevertheless, it didn't stop him a few years ago from raising the possibility of a 3rd party, someone he knows cannot possibly exist because his own phone call narrowed it down to either him or Sheila! It's practically an admission of guilt.

He's so guilty as hell, it's not even up for debate any more. I can't believe that as recently as 2011 I was still sitting on the fence...

[steve_trousers]

Which begs the question why she didn't tell the police about his scheming beforehand or at the very least come clean on day 1.

It did beg the question, the jury would have pondered the question. Julie Mugford came clean, took the stand and the jury believed her. Her testimony "had the ring of truth about it"

Judging from Nicholas' post on page 14, she would do the same again tomorrow.

[Nicholas]

So her conscience had been unravelling for around a month. She told DS Jones the truth.

Bamber brought MacDonald into it to put some distance between himself and the murders as Julie was clearly rattled

Bamber’s gaslighting of JM is clear to see on the ITV drama

‘What is gaslighting?
Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation and abuse that makes people question their own memory, perception, and sanity
The term comes from a 1938 stage play Gas Light in which a husband attempts to convince his wife and others that she is insane - when he dims the gas lights, he insists she's imagining it
There are three stages to gaslighting in a relationship: idealisation, devaluation and discard
In the idealisation stage the victim is whisked off their feet as the gaslighter projects an image of themselves as the perfect mate
The devaluation stage hits hard: the victim goes from being adored to being incapable of doing anything right, but having tasted the ideal they are desperate to put things right
Then comes the discard stage where the victim is dropped, ready for the next one - this often happens simultaneously with the idealisation, or grooming, of the next victim
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-41915425

and is evident with many of those individuals who’ve supported him over the years

He’s a serial gaslighter

[Myster]

The physical evidence at soc that has been pored over numerous times: blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  All this evidence supports JB's version of events: NB was on the phone; the perp opened fire on June upstairs; NB run upstairs and appeared on the landing with the perp stood just inside the bedroom; perp inflicts the two facial gunshot wounds to NB. NB turns to retreat downstairs and when facing the bottom of the stairs he is shot twice in the rear.  Perp follows NB to the kitchen where he is beaten and sustains the 4 head shots.

How does the above fit with JB as perp?  If JB was perp what would NB be doing on the landing facing the entrance to the bedroom?  And why would JB squander 5 or 6 bullets on June hitting her limbs.  I say 5 or 6 as it wasn't even determined at trial whether or not a bruise was caused by a bullet and if so whether this was a ricocheted bullet or not.

It does nothing of the sort!  No matter how many times you parrot your imaginary evidence, it won't make it real.  You've dug a hole so deep for yourself that you now find it impossible to climb out and see reason. Sorry Holly, but you are wrong.

Nevill was a wartime Mosquito pilot trained in the use of firearms and a lifelong shooter, who accidentally blinded his father-in-law Leslie Speakman's eye with a bullet that rebounded off a tree.  So he was very well aware of the damage they could cause. That this fit veteran would allow his daughter to sneak past him with a loaded rifle and murder his wife and grandsons upstairs, while he wasted precious minutes on a rotary dial phone trying to kindle a sleeping log is frankly, unbelievable.