White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

[barrier]

Yes it was all the prosecution needed to nod home the late winner but many question whether the hand of God featured.

JB was convicted based on 20th century policing and forensics.  Science and technology has moved on leaps and bounds both of which will assist JB in a successful 3rd appeal.

Or keep him where he belongs.

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I caught up with Episode 4 last night. IMO, very good acting, and good photography, but I don't know the details of the case well enough to always know what is true and what is "drama".

I am unlikely to ever form a worthy opinion as to whether Jeremy is guilty or innocent, as , unlike some of you, I am too lazy and uninterested to get involved with ballistics evidence (I have never even seen a loaded gun, to be honest). I am more interested in the characters. Jeremy comes across as a somewhat objectionable young man, IMO. Certainly not the sort of person I would have wanted as a boyfriend, however good looking he might have been!  Trouble is (and also  my opinion), some of the other characters come across as objectionable too. Had better not mention names.

The series (I assume) aims to portray a guilty Jeremy. For me, it doesn't necessarily, nor does it make me think he is definitely innocent. it just makes me ask more questions. Oh well, I'm doing plenty of background reading, so at least I am learning something.

I don't necessarily see the series as portraying JB as guilty. If the portrayal of him finding the pictures of Sheila in graphic pose and rubbing Colins nose in it with a kind of I know but you ain't gonna is correct then he was a manipulative barsteward.

[Holly Goodhead]

Many would argue that VAR is a step backward, not forwards and has ruined the essence of the game. Surely the hand of god has more chance of being overturned 34 years later than DS Jones' late winner

His latest attempt at an appeal was thrown out as recently as 2012. Anything new that came to light could more easily shore up the safety of the conviction rather than cast doubt on it.

The hand of God is transparent and we all know it involved foul play.  The blood/silencer offers no such transparency and is still all very much to play for.  I believe I'm on the winning team.

The 2012 tests were opinion based.  I believe it is now possible to undertake tests that are irrefutable.

[Myster]

A team of one, that is... the other ten have changed sides.

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The hand of God is transparent and we all know it involved foul play.  The blood/silencer offers no such transparency and is still all very much to play for.  I believe I'm on the winning team.

The 2012 tests were opinion based.  I believe it is now possible to undertake tests that are irrefutable.

Correct me if I'm wrong but all bullets fired met their target,a cold calculating shooting,was Sheila with her illness capable?

[Myster]

Absolutely not... just ask Colin.

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One of the first first four shots to NB according to TV last night went through his tongue how did he speak when he made the supposed phone call to JB?

[Holly Goodhead]

I bet Julie's testimony influenced the jury too-------rightly or wrongly.

What I do wonder about is this: there were two people who could have committed the murders. If Jeremy did it, it was down to wickedness and greed. If Sheila did it,  it was because she was very ill, and therefore, she cannot really be blamed.  I think that in a crime as ghastly as this one, people would want to see somebody actually brought to justice. I wonder how much this affected how the police, the relatives and friends, the jury etc viewed Jeremy , whose behaviour after the murders certainly did him no favours, and who appeared to be a rather unpleasant young man (IMO, anyway).  Just a thought.

This must have been a particularly unusual and appalling crime for EP to deal with, and I find it difficult to believe they messed it up. I would have thought they would have taken extra care, but who knows------.

Off out tonight---and NOT to celebrate Brexit!

I understand JM's testimony came with some sort of warning from the judge over its reliability.  I guess at this moment in time we don't really know what impact it had with jurors.  Jury's questions to the judge centered around the blood/silencer and only undermining this evidence in a very significant way can assist JB at this stage of the game.

I've just cracked open a bottle of strong Belgium beer but likewise not to celebrate Brexit 

[Myster]

One of the first first four shots to NB according to TV last night went through his tongue how did he speak when he made the supposed phone call to JB?

Dr. Vanezis stated that Nevill would have been incapable of coherent speech.  Besides, blood would have been sprayed over the telephone, handset and worktop had he even attempted to do so.

[Holly Goodhead]

Or keep him where he belongs.

Preliminaries suggest not.

[Holly Goodhead]

Correct me if I'm wrong but all bullets fired met their target,a cold calculating shooting,was Sheila with her illness capable?

What was the definition of target? 

[Holly Goodhead]

One of the first first four shots to NB according to TV last night went through his tongue how did he speak when he made the supposed phone call to JB?

The physical evidence by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks places NB downstairs with the perp going upstairs and opening fire on June in bed.  NB then went upstairs and sustained his facial gunshot wounds on the landing stairs.  He then turned and sustained two further gunshot wounds to his rear before returning to the kitchen with the perp in hot pursuit where he sustained 4 fatal gunshot wounds to the head.

[steve_trousers]

Dr. Vanezis stated that Nevill would have been incapable of coherent speech.  Besides, blood would have been sprayed over the telephone, handset and worktop had he even attempted to do so.

Indeed, plus he would have been leafing through the yellow pages simultaneously looking for the local constabularies number instead of just dialling 999

[Caroline]

The physical evidence by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks places NB downstairs with the perp going upstairs and opening fire on June in bed.  NB then went upstairs and sustained his facial gunshot wounds on the landing stairs.  He then turned and sustained two further gunshot wounds to his rear before returning to the kitchen with the perp in hot pursuit where he sustained 4 fatal gunshot wounds to the head.

Is this all from IA discussions?

[Caroline]

Indeed, plus he would have been leafing through the yellow pages simultaneously looking for the local constabularies number instead of just dialling 999

Ah, but he wasn't sure about their 'system'