White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

[Myster]

Dr Vanezis confirms in his wit stats that all officers who attended pm's were proceeding with 4 murders/suicide.  Those present included Di Miller, Di Cooke, DC Bird and DC Hammersly.

On 8th Aug Dr Vanezis visited WHF where he discussed the case with the aforementioned along with DS Jones and DCI Jones.  Dr Vanezis states the only dissenter was DS Jones who offered nothing of evidential value.

As I said, Miller and Barlow were of the same opinion as Stan Jones, no matter how many times you try to squirm out of it!

[Holly Goodhead]

I remain convinced that, had he put a wedding ring on her finger, she'd have stayed silent................at least until she found out about his second affair -she'd have forgiven the first. I guess having all that dosh and the freedom to enjoy it meant the boring little mouse could be dispensed with? It may well have been a case of a woman scorned being the trigger, but it doesn't mean it's not true. I'd be really interested to learn those things she hasn't revealed but probably only a priest or therapist is privy to those.

Well unlike SF who we are told conceived during her relationship with JB Afaik JM didn't.  If JM wanted to snare JB then she could have held off any contraception.  I think JM was more interested in completing her studies and pursuing a career which is exactly what she has done.

JM states in her wit stat they parted on friendly terms.  This can be evidenced by the fact she accepted a lift of JB and asked him for June's bike even after DS Jones obtained her story.

[Holly Goodhead]

As I said, Miller and Barlow were of the same opinion as Stan Jones, no matter how many times you try to squirm out of it!

They probably did get round to DS Jones' thinking once he secured the silencer and JM's story but certainly not in the early days.

DC Barlow states the first time he went to WHF was on 22nd Aug. 

What experience did these junior officers have in mass shootings?

[Myster]

They probably did get round to DS Jones' thinking once he secured the silencer and JM's story but certainly not in the early days.

DC Barlow states the first time he went to WHF was on 22nd Aug. 

What experience did these junior officers have in mass shootings?

What experience did Dr. Vanezis have in mass shootings?

Off now to install a burglar alarm!  Can't be too careful these days.

[Holly Goodhead]

Ten people on the jury were convinced to convict beyond reasonable doubt it was murder alright and no suicide involved.Are you suggesting some kind of collusion going on to stitch Bamber up,are you convinced of his innocence.I'd agree it's mostly circumstantial but it all adds up to the guilt of Bamber.It was a cold calculated crime not one that was carried out by someone who was suffering mental illness.The final shots which Julie was supposed to have fired would have had her in the same room as her boys.

Of course 10 jurors convicted after DS Jones pretty much single handedly shored up the evidence that convicted JB: silencer and JM's testimony.

What motivated DS Jones?  Did he genuinely believe JB was guilty or was he incentivised by JB's extended adoptive family who went on to inherit the Bamber's 500k estate which they wouldn't have done had JB not been convicted.

No idea what you mean by Julie and the boys?

[Holly Goodhead]

What experience did Dr. Vanezis have in mass shootings?

Off now to install a burglar alarm!  Can't be too careful these days.

No one had any experience of unwitnessed mass shootings since none have taken place in UK during peace-time.  He did however have experience of suicides involving two gunshot wounds.

[Holly Goodhead]

I did actually read that he was relieved when Bamber was caught but can't remember where. Still trying to remember. Will post if I find it.

I read on Blue that he was going to beat the drum for JB at his trial.

[Caroline]

I read on Blue that he was going to beat the drum for JB at his trial.

Was there ANY evidence to back it up?

[mrswah]

Of course 10 jurors convicted after DS Jones pretty much single handedly shored up the evidence that convicted JB: silencer and JM's testimony.

What motivated DS Jones?  Did he genuinely believe JB was guilty or was he incentivised by JB's extended adoptive family who went on to inherit the Bamber's 500k estate which they wouldn't have done had JB not been convicted.

No idea what you mean by Julie and the boys?

I have wondered what motivated Stan Jones too. Pure speculation, but he might have taken offence at Jeremy's actions/reactions after the murders, then been influenced by what certain people had to say about the sort of person Jeremy was. He might have felt a little cheated at the thought that, if Sheila was the killer, nobody would "pay" for the crime, as Sheila was dead. He might have thought his superior was messing things up, and that he could do better.

We aren't ever going to know for sure.

[mrswah]

Was there ANY evidence to back it up?

By "beat the drum", do you mean appear as a defence witness?  That is what I read, and I possibly read it on Blue (don't remember). Will take it with a pinch of salt unless I hear that it's true.

[Holly Goodhead]

Was there ANY evidence to back it up?

No, that's why I said I read it on Blue.

[Holly Goodhead]

I have wondered what motivated Stan Jones too. Pure speculation, but he might have taken offence at Jeremy's actions/reactions after the murders, then been influenced by what certain people had to say about the sort of person Jeremy was. He might have felt a little cheated at the thought that, if Sheila was the killer, nobody would "pay" for the crime, as Sheila was dead. He might have thought his superior was messing things up, and that he could do better.

We aren't ever going to know for sure.

I think in the future we might know for sure.  If forensic tests show the blood/silencer was fabricated this will then bring JM's testimony under the spotlight.  I have always thought DS Jones made all sorts of threats against JM and she went along with it on the basis DS Jones sold her the blood/silencer evidence.  It wouldn't surprise me if she did spill the beans assuming she has beans to spill - I think she does.

[Holly Goodhead]

By "beat the drum", do you mean appear as a defence witness?  That is what I read, and I possibly read it on Blue (don't remember). Will take it with a pinch of salt unless I hear that it's true.

I used the expression beat the drum and yes I meant he would support the defence at JB's trial.

[barrier]

Of course 10 jurors convicted after DS Jones pretty much single handedly shored up the evidence that convicted JB: silencer and JM's testimony.

What motivated DS Jones?  Did he genuinely believe JB was guilty or was he incentivised by JB's extended adoptive family who went on to inherit the Bamber's 500k estate which they wouldn't have done had JB not been convicted.

No idea what you mean by Julie and the boys?

If Bamber was as innocent as you'd have us believe how come his defence couldn't rubbish the prosecution.

Was there any concern that Julie didn't love her boys,to my mind she'd have finished her supposed killing spree to be with them.

After beating the be jesus out of dad she then went upstairs and lay down and shot herself,really? twice at that.

[APRIL]

Well unlike SF who we are told conceived during her relationship with JB Afaik JM didn't.  If JM wanted to snare JB then she could have held off any contraception.  I think JM was more interested in completing her studies and pursuing a career which is exactly what she has done.

JM states in her wit stat they parted on friendly terms.  This can be evidenced by the fact she accepted a lift of JB and asked him for June's bike even after DS Jones obtained her story.

Maybe she tried? Perhaps there were reasons not known about for her not conceiving? Maybe Jeremy used condoms? Surely, had she not ultimately intended to be his wife, she wouldn't have stayed?

Parting "on friendly terms" may only mean they weren't fighting verbally or physically. There's also that he was more likely to let her have said bike if she smiled, rather than snarled.