White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

[Holly Goodhead]

If Bamber was as innocent as you'd have us believe how come his defence couldn't rubbish the prosecution.

You could ask that question about any miscarriage of justice?  Many of which involve fabricated evidence/testimony/non-disclosure.

Was there any concern that Julie didn't love her boys,to my mind she'd have finished her supposed killing spree to be with them.

I think you mean Sheila?  She told her psychiatrist she thought they would harm her and have sex with her.  She thought Nicholas was capable of becoming a murderer.

After beating the be jesus out of dad she then went upstairs and lay down and shot herself,really? twice at that.

The pathologist was not surprised about a woman of SC's build inflicting NB's wounds.

[Nicholas]

I think in the future we might know for sure.  If forensic tests show the blood/silencer was fabricated this will then bring JM's testimony under the spotlight.  I have always thought DS Jones made all sorts of threats against JM and she went along with it on the basis DS Jones sold her the blood/silencer evidence.  It wouldn't surprise me if she did spill the beans assuming she has beans to spill - I think she does.

She (And ‘a friend’) ‘spilt the beans’ in 2012

“I thought this was long in the past. The last few weeks have been a nightmare. As far as I am concerned nothing has changed - I sincerely believe he is guilty. Do I stand by my original story? Yes, absolutely. I always assumed he would be in jail for life.”

“And while I fully accept that new forensic techniques could throw new light on the case I still believe he is guilty.”

A friend added:

"It is something Julie has never really recovered from. Ultimately it was her evidence that put him behind bars and it is something she still has nightmares about. She still grieves for his family and wonders if she could have averted the murders by telling the police about his scheming beforehand."

[Holly Goodhead]

She (And ‘a friend’) ‘spilt the beans’ in 2012

“I thought this was long in the past. The last few weeks have been a nightmare. As far as I am concerned nothing has changed - I sincerely believe he is guilty. Do I stand by my original story? Yes, absolutely. I always assumed he would be in jail for life.”

“And while I fully accept that new forensic techniques could throw new light on the case I still believe he is guilty.”

A friend added:

"It is something Julie has never really recovered from. Ultimately it was her evidence that put him behind bars and it is something she still has nightmares about. She still grieves for his family and wonders if she could have averted the murders by telling the police about his scheming beforehand."

Which begs the question why she didn't tell the police about his scheming beforehand or at the very least come clean on day 1.

[Holly Goodhead]

She (And ‘a friend’) ‘spilt the beans’ in 2012

“I thought this was long in the past. The last few weeks have been a nightmare. As far as I am concerned nothing has changed - I sincerely believe he is guilty. Do I stand by my original story? Yes, absolutely. I always assumed he would be in jail for life.”

“And while I fully accept that new forensic techniques could throw new light on the case I still believe he is guilty.”

A friend added:

"It is something Julie has never really recovered from. Ultimately it was her evidence that put him behind bars and it is something she still has nightmares about. She still grieves for his family and wonders if she could have averted the murders by telling the police about his scheming beforehand."

And which "original story" is she referring to?

[APRIL]

Which begs the question why she didn't tell the police about his scheming beforehand or at the very least come clean on day 1.

I'm certain most of us know what those "If only I had...................." moments feel like. We have to live with them.

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm certain most of us know what those "If only I had...................." moments feel like. We have to live with them.

Those moments are usually dependent on the benefit of hindsight.  In JM's case, if her trial testimony is correct, she had the benefit of foresight.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Ten people on the jury were convinced to convict beyond reasonable doubt it was murder alright and no suicide involved.Are you suggesting some kind of collusion going on to stitch Bamber up,are you convinced of his innocence.I'd agree it's mostly circumstantial but it all adds up to the guilt of Bamber.It was a cold calculated crime not one that was carried out by someone who was suffering mental illness.The final shots which Julie was supposed to have fired would have had her in the same room as her boys.

"The final shots which Julie was supposed to have fired would have had her in the same room as her boys."

You are spot on with this sentence.  If Sheilas' madness'  was to save her children from an imagined danger- she would have shot her children and herself in very close proximity to 'protect' them, and be with them.


"No one had any experience of unwitnessed mass shootings since none have taken place in UK during peace-time.  He did however have experience of suicides involving two gunshot wounds."

Some medical people do not like to be challenged. He could have been an arrogant B.. Did he have experience of two gun shots- and no blood from the violent murdering rampage?  Look at where her arms are 'placed'! and where are her fingerprints placed on the gun as she 'killed herself.

A silencer was most definitely used and she didn't have the arm reach to self inflict two wounds.

[Miss Taken Identity]

You could ask that question about any miscarriage of justice?  Many of which involve fabricated evidence/testimony/non-disclosure.
 
I think you mean Sheila?  She told her psychiatrist she thought they would harm her and have sex with her.  She thought Nicholas was capable of becoming a murderer.

The pathologist was not surprised about a woman of SC's build inflicting NB's wounds.

Was he equally  not surprised she had no scratch marks or blood splatters from this violent attack?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Which begs the question why she didn't tell the police about his scheming beforehand or at the very least come clean on day 1.

I don't know the answer, but I could take a guess...

Perhaps she didn't believe he wouldn't do it- secondly he may have threatened her and her family. she could have been in shock at it all. Some rape and tortured victims have that happen to them.

One type of punishment in some parts of  war torn Africa is to brutally gang rape (straight) men and torture them as a humiliation. Only a hand full will come forward and speak up to doctors due to the shame they have and will bring their families. JB may have told JM she is as much guilty as he is, and partly responsible. as the rape victims I mention are told.  Guilt by association?.

[Holly Goodhead]

Was he equally  not surprised she had no scratch marks or blood splatters from this violent attack?

There's no evidence of any hand to hand fighting.  The pathologist said NB's non-gunshot wounds were caused by a blunt instrument probably the rifle.  The barrel of the rifle contained so little blood it was not even possible to group/type it.  And yet it was possible to group/type a flake of blood found inside the silencer! 

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't know the answer, but I could take a guess...

Perhaps she didn't believe he wouldn't do it- secondly he may have threatened her and her family. she could have been in shock at it all. Some rape and tortured victims have that happen to them.

One type of punishment in some parts of  war torn Africa is to brutally gang rape (straight) men and torture them as a humiliation. Only a hand full will come forward and speak up to doctors due to the shame they have and will bring their families. JB may have told JM she is as much guilty as he is, and partly responsible. as the rape victims I mention are told.  Guilt by association?.

I believe DS Jones used guilt by association on JM.

[APRIL]

I don't know the answer, but I could take a guess...

Perhaps she didn't believe he wouldn't do it- secondly he may have threatened her and her family. she could have been in shock at it all. Some rape and tortured victims have that happen to them.

One type of punishment in some parts of  war torn Africa is to brutally gang rape (straight) men and torture them as a humiliation. Only a hand full will come forward and speak up to doctors due to the shame they have and will bring their families. JB may have told JM she is as much guilty as he is, and partly responsible. as the rape victims I mention are told.  Guilt by association?.

He is said to have told her exactly that. I think we've overlooked that her own family lived very close. I can't think damage limitation didn't cross her mind. There must have been a point where it looked as if, which e3ver way she turned, was a deep pit waiting to consume her.

[barrier]

You could ask that question about any miscarriage of justice?  Many of which involve fabricated evidence/testimony/non-disclosure.
 
I think you mean Sheila?  She told her psychiatrist she thought they would harm her and have sex with her.  She thought Nicholas was capable of becoming a murderer.

The pathologist was not surprised about a woman of SC's build inflicting NB's wounds.

Sorry Sheila,so no surprise that Bamber would be just as capable then.

[Holly Goodhead]

Maybe she tried? Perhaps there were reasons not known about for her not conceiving? Maybe Jeremy used condoms? Surely, had she not ultimately intended to be his wife, she wouldn't have stayed?

Parting "on friendly terms" may only mean they weren't fighting verbally or physically. There's also that he was more likely to let her have said bike if she smiled, rather than snarled.

Wouldn't have stayed where?

She was only 20 yoa at the time of the murders and still completing her masters?

Did she want anything long-term with JB in rural Essex? 

[Holly Goodhead]

Sorry Sheila,so no surprise that Bamber would be just as capable then.

The physical evidence at soc doesn't support JB.