White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

[steve_trousers]

Are you suggesting Brett Collins could know more than he’s ever let on?

It's speculative, but I always considered it likely that Collins had at least an inkling, going by Bamber's previous form for verbal incontinence and the close bond between the two which continued post- murders.
 
John and I discussed this the other night, you can't get more alibi than being out of the country at the time of the murders, and my understanding is he scarpered back home pretty quickly following the arrest. Possibly he thought it was all just bluster and he never thought his friend would go through with it.

[James55]

Many of the people who believe that JB is innocent seem to be female. Is this coincidence?

[Nicholas]

It's speculative, but I always considered it likely that Collins had at least an inkling, going by Bamber's previous form for verbal incontinence and the close bond between the two which continued post- murders.
 
John and I discussed this the other night, you can't get more alibi than being out of the country at the time of the murders, and my understanding is he scarpered back home pretty quickly following the arrest. Possibly he thought it was all just bluster and he never thought his friend would go through with it.

“In a 1986 interview with the Star, Brett declared that Jeremy 'fell in love with a millionairess. 'She fell for him. They weren't many girls he couldn't pull. He was an absolute charmer.

"'I warned him he was suspect number one on the police list for the killings, but he wasn't bothered. He just wanted to enjoy himself while he could.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/jeremy-bamber-speaks-from-prison-over-white-house-farm-murders-1-6486958

Who did Bamber fall in love with in France?

[Holly Goodhead]

Many of the people who believe that JB is innocent seem to be female. Is this coincidence?

Hi James.  Welcome to the forum.

Coincidence with what?

[Holly Goodhead]

Of course that's true but all of those people had friends to support them, at the end of the day, any friends he did have, seemed to disappear - why do you think that is?

I don't know the extent of JB's circle pre and post murders.  I know a number of people stuck by him during the trial: The Howies, who were related to June, former girlfriend Suzette Ford, current girlfriend Virginia Greaves, Brett Collins.

[Holly Goodhead]

Tony Martin case is different, they had witness's as to what happened - Martin and the prep that survived, there were none in the Bamber case so it's always going to be a best guess.

If you listen to the narrator she states without the reconstruction it was one man's word against the others but the reconstruction was able to conclude who was where when the shots were fired.

Soc reconstruction is a standard forensic test with shooting cases.  Probably the most famous is the JFK reconstruction.

No probs at all with a WHF reconstruction.

[Holly Goodhead]

Money well spent to see your theory batted away for 6 by another 'expert' who supports the original evidence

Nah, nothing to see here. Bamber will die in prison.

I'm afraid not.  There's too much data for it to be batted away.  25/26 gunshots is a lot of data.

How do you think convictions are quashed if everything can just be batted away?

[Holly Goodhead]

It won't happen anyway because Bamber wouldn't get passed the first post with this so called 'new evidence' - it's not new and it's not evidence.

What new evidence are you referring to?

[Caroline]

If you listen to the narrator she states without the reconstruction it was one man's word against the others but the reconstruction was able to conclude conclusively who was where when the shots were fired.

Soc reconstruction is a standard forensic test with shooting cases.  Probably the most famous is the JFK reconstruction.

No probs at all with a WHF reconstruction.

Yes I know but what I mean was that had a two starting points, ie. something to prove/disprove.

The JFK is a classic but they still have problems with it.

[Caroline]

What new evidence are you referring to?

The stuff that was recently in the press pre drama - phone call from Nevill that never happened and the 999 call around 6ish that never happened.

[Holly Goodhead]

Grasping and straws come to mind?

How is a soc reconstruction grasping at straws?  Should have happened during the trial.

[Holly Goodhead]

Yes I know but what I mean was that had a two starting points, ie. something to prove/disprove.

The JFK is a classic but they still have problems with it.

Same for WHF: Did NB sustain his upstairs gsw's in the bedroom or landing.

[Caroline]

How is a soc reconstruction grasping at straws?  Should have happened during the trial.

Which is why it's too late now. You mentioned JFK? They knew where LHO shot the rifle from and they knew where JFK was hit, they had both photographic and video footage of him being shot. With the Bamber case, not so easy as there were no witnesses, just the CS photo's.

[Holly Goodhead]

The stuff that was recently in the press pre drama - phone call from Nevill that never happened and the 999 call around 6ish that never happened.

Oh yeah that's not going anywhere along with general claims about two silencers.

[Holly Goodhead]

Are you comparing a mass murderer with petty theft?

MrsWah said regardless of whether JB committed the murders he didn't come over as a nice person and I said most of the main protagonists don't. .