The phone call

[Myster]

Nothing I don't agree with there. 

Something else about the story Bamber told of leaving the shells on the counter after bringing in a box from the office. There are 150 shells per box, 25 shots fired, which should have left 125 on the counter. However, there were 130 shells - 5 too many. This shows that the magazine must have already had 5 shells loaded and his story about being in a rush to shoot rabbits is bollocks. If that were the case, he wouldn't have needed to load any shells while given he was claiming to be in a hurry - the 5 shots should have been enough.

50 cartridges per box  ...

[Caroline]

50 cartridges per box  ...

S
Ha, ha! Sorry - I did think I had that wrong but couldn't be arsed to check.

OK - there should have been 25 left but there were 30 

[steve_trousers]

Which is why he will never confess.

thanks for the link to the video.

Maybe only on his deathbed to spite his pond life supporters, whom he detests.

[Myster]

S
Ha, ha! Sorry - I did think I had that wrong but couldn't be arsed to check.

OK - there should have been 25 left but there were 30 

And not 47 as in the ITV WHF drama.  I counted them three times over... How sad is that? 

[puglove]

And not 47 as in the ITV WHF drama.  I counted them three times over... How sad is that? 

I squeaked when I saw my Nan's "Lyons Dundee Cake" tin in Sheila's flat. (I've still got it, full of buttons).

[G-Unit]

The suggestion that in a time of crisis, Nevill would cry for assistance from his lazy, pot smoking, playboy for a son is laughable. Robert Boutflour suspected Jeremy robbed the caravan park are we expected to swallow that he wouldn't have informed Nevill of his suspicions, that they wouldn't at least have discussed it.
It's utter nonsense that Nevill would leave Sheila running amok in the house to get on the phone to his idiot son, instead of calling the police or even Len Foakes. In fact anyone but Jeremy.

Furthermore we know he told Barbara Wilson that he believed Jeremy was capable of anything, "I must never turn my back on that young man"

Colin Caffell saw the father and son as very close, sharing a similar sense of humour. Nevill had asked the Trustees to include Jeremy on the tenancy of WHF and began taking him to meetings of Northern Maldon Growers.

[steve_trousers]

That's interesting G-unit, where did you read that?
Robert Boutflour was so suspicious of Jeremy that when he saw Jeremy asking Sheila to try loading the gun just before the murders, his first thoughts were that he was trying to get her fingerprints all over the magazine. This was before he knew what would transpire

[G-Unit]

That's interesting G-unit, where did you read that?
Robert Boutflour was so suspicious of Jeremy that when he saw Jeremy asking Sheila to try loading the gun just before the murders, his first thoughts were that he was trying to get her fingerprints all over the magazine. This was before he knew what would transpire

It's from Carol Ann Lee's book page 103 where a few people are quoted who had a slightly more positive opinion of Jeremy Bamber.

[steve_trousers]

It's from Carol Ann Lee's book page 103 where a few people are quoted who had a slightly more positive opinion of Jeremy Bamber.

I'm not familiar with her book, rather with the earlier works such as Wilkes excellent book. Perhaps Lee is skilfully trying to keep the killers identity open at that point, I don't know.

However, I would take any reference to their having a close or loving relationship with a dose of salt. His supporters pounce on anything and twist it to back up the ridiculous premise that Nevill would cry to Jeremy for help rather than simply disarm Sheila, or at a stretch call the Police.
If Jeremy was on the trustees of WHF and had been taken to meetings of NMG, it only tells me that Jeremy was his son and employee, not that they were close.
 

[Caroline]

It's from Carol Ann Lee's book page 103 where a few people are quoted who had a slightly more positive opinion of Jeremy Bamber.

This was approx a year before the murders when Bamber seemed to be knuckling down.

[G-Unit]

On page 106 of Lee's book there's a reference to Nevill's firearms licence. A constable visited and said he was meticulous in the safekeeping of his weapons, keeping them in a padlocked cupboard. Was that normal or was he usually less meticulous?

[Myster]

I squeaked when I saw my Nan's "Lyons Dundee Cake" tin in Sheila's flat. (I've still got it, full of buttons).

Darn!  I blinked and nearly missed Freddie B. stuffing it into a bin bag before being carted off to some Maid Vale rubbish tip.

Put your Nan's on eBay, it's currently worth five to fifteen smackers...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LYONS-DUNDEE-CAKE

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-60-s-lyons-dundee-cake-tin-London-W14-England-/231416894005?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10



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[adam]

The phone call to Jeremy is one of the strangest things I have ever heard of.

Bamber having his answering machine switched off.

Nevill choosing to ring him at 3am. Then wait several minutes for Bamber to wake from sleeping 'like a log' decide to answer, then go downstairs.

After waiting a long time for the phone to be answered, Nevill then says 9 words in less than 5 seconds.

[puglove]

Darn!  I blinked and nearly missed Freddie B. stuffing it into a bin bag before being carted off to some Maid Vale rubbish tip.

Put your Nan's on eBay, it's currently worth five to fifteen smackers...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LYONS-DUNDEE-CAKE

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-60-s-lyons-dundee-cake-tin-London-W14-England-/231416894005?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

Mine's in quite good nick, compared to those - I think I'll keep it. I've only got that (and her wattle) to remember her by.


 

[adam]

People suggest Nevill's call was so short because he was interrupted. However Nevill's words do summarise the situation. The phone did not go dead mid sentance.

Bamber could elaborate on Nevill's 9 words to the police outside WHF -  'come over', 'Sheila', 'gone crazy' 'got the gun'.

Nevill and Bamber having a phone conversation would give suspiscious people more chance to pick holes in what was said. Sheila was also supposed to be going crazy.