The phone call

[Holly Goodhead]

Exactly.  It seems the Bambers brought this upon themselves if the arguments on here are anything to go by.

The Bambers should never have been approved to adopt in the first place.

[Holly Goodhead]

Baloney!!!  There are only two possibilties... ring 999 or get over to deal with situation yourself asap.

Nevill didn't call anybody, neither did he get the chance to do so.

Someone deciding to call 999 or not isn't capable of determinig innocence or guilt:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/22/ben-ellie-butler-999-call-murder-trial

[Caroline]

The Bambers should never have been approved to adopt in the first place.

Probably like quite a few people who's adopted children didn't go on to murder them.

[Holly Goodhead]

Probably like quite a few people who's adopted children didn't go on to murder them.

I've certainly never heard of an adoptive mother having a history of mental health issues on par with June's:

- 1955 - June admitted for psychiatric in-patient care due to her inability to conceive children

- 1957 - The Bamber's adopt SC

- 1959 - June admitted for psychiatric in-patient care due to her decision to adopt.  Undergoes ECT.

- Returns to WHF and employs a 17 year old nanny to care for SC

- 1961 - The Bambers adopt JB.  The nanny is retained until JB was circa 2 yoa and then taken on as and when required along with au pairs.

I wonder if June had an aversion to toilet training.  And we know what Freud had to say about this! 

[Caroline]

I've certainly never heard of an adoptive mother having a history of mental health issues on par with June's:

- 1955 - June admitted for psychiatric in-patient care due to her inability to conceive children

- 1957 - The Bamber's adopt SC

- 1959 - June admitted for psychiatric in-patient care due to her decision to adopt.  Undergoes ECT.

- Returns to WHF and employs a 17 year old nanny to care for SC

- 1961 - The Bambers adopt JB.  The nanny is retained until JB was circa 2 yoa and then taken on as and when required along with au pairs.

I wonder if June had an aversion to toilet training.  And we know what Freud had to say about this!

The only reason you're 'hearing about it' is because of the tragedy - why would you hear about others?

[G-Unit]

The Bambers should never have been approved to adopt in the first place.

I wonder if the authorities knew about June Bamber's problems?

[Holly Goodhead]

The only reason you're 'hearing about it' is because of the tragedy - why would you hear about others?

Do similar cases exist where an adoptee has murdered 3 generations from his/her adoptive family?

[Holly Goodhead]

I wonder if the authorities knew about June Bamber's problems?

The adoptions were arranged through the CoE Children's Society so I'm guessing this ie the fact the Bamber's were churchgoers took precedence over the emotional stability of the adoptive parents and whether or not they would make suitable adopters overall.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do similar cases exist where an adoptee has murdered 3 generations from his/her adoptive family?

Your signature line seems to put the blame for the murders fair and square on the parents for adopting these children in the first place.  Victim blaming in other words.  It's very distasteful IMO.   

[Holly Goodhead]

Your signature line seems to put the blame for the murders fair and square on the parents for adopting these children in the first place.  Victim blaming in other words.  It's very distasteful IMO.

My tagline:

Justice for Sheila and Jeremy,  victims of a poorly arranged closed adoption from the so-called baby-scoop era.

Did the Bamber's arrange and approve themselves as suitable adopters? 

[Holly Goodhead]

At trial the jury was not told about June's long history of mental illness during the 1950's pre and post adopting SC with the potential for an attachment disorder in SC and a propensity towards suicide, violence, psychopathy and infanticide.

[G-Unit]

The adoptions were arranged through the CoE Children's Society so I'm guessing this ie the fact the Bamber's were churchgoers took precedence over the emotional stability of the adoptive parents and whether or not they would make suitable adopters overall.

The attitude towards adopters at the time was that they were rescuing a child from the stigma of b........y. They were offering the child everything it's sinful mother couldn't provide; two parents, a stable home and a Christian upbringing. It's possible that June's illness was known, but was treated sympathetically as it was allegedly due to her childlessness.

[Vertigo Swirl]

My tagline:

Justice for Sheila and Jeremy,  victims of a poorly arranged closed adoption from the so-called baby-scoop era.

Did the Bamber's arrange and approve themselves as suitable adopters?

Presumably they put themselves forward as adopters, as evil and mentally deranged as you obviously think they were!

[Holly Goodhead]

The attitude towards adopters at the time was that they were rescuing a child from the stigma of b........y. They were offering the child everything it's sinful mother couldn't provide; two parents, a stable home and a Christian upbringing. It's possible that June's illness was known, but was treated sympathetically as it was allegedly due to her childlessness.

Yes I agree but June was re-admitted for in-patient psychiatric treatment and ECT in 1959 due to her decision to adopt (SC in 1957).  Why was SC not removed from the Bamber's care and why were they allowed to adopt JB in 1961?

[Holly Goodhead]

Presumably they put themselves forward as adopters, as evil and mentally deranged as you obviously think they were!

Presumably they did put themselves forward as adopters but who approved them?

You are the only one here using terms like evil and mentally deranged to describe the Bamber's.