The phone call

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The UK system is based on not guilty or guilty beyond reasonable doubt.   

The case wouldn't even get to court today let alone be found guilty.

So the miscarriage is because it was tried 30 yrs ahead of its time? not because Bamber didn't do it.

[Holly Goodhead]

@ Holly seeing as the thread is about the phone call is about the phone call,correct if I'm wrong but is your stance that it was made before he (Nevill) was shot.If this is so,what do use for evidence of it?

Yes I believe NB made the call before he was shot based on the physical evidence at soc: blood stains and lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  I believe if you look at all those pieces it places NB on the landing stairs facing the entrance to the bedrrom when he sustained the facial shots and the main staircase facing the bottom when he sustained the shots to his shoulder and elbow.

To date no expert evidence exists re shooting reconstruction.

[Holly Goodhead]

All of them!  Sorry Holly, I've no intention of spending the rest of this morning or even the day reading and countering your incessant repetition about what should have taken place in court 34 years ago.

It's never too late though.  A shooting reconstruction can still be carried out.

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It's never too late though.  A shooting reconstruction can still be carried out.

What do you hope doing such will prove, though?

[Holly Goodhead]

What do you hope doing such will prove, though?

That NB sustained his facial shots whilst he was stood on the landing stairs with the perp stood just inside the main bedroom shooting out onto the landing.

[Inspector Gadget]

It's never too late though.  A shooting reconstruction can still be carried out.

There are multiple options to the shooting reconstruction though, therefore surely you can’t accurately reconstruct? No surviving witnesses either to verify. The court widely accepted that you will never be able to know what order people were killed and exact order of shots. For example you don’t know if the boys were shot first or last, of if Bamber pumped  one in their head then come back to empty more later after they were already dead. Only he knows how he murdered the children.

[Holly Goodhead]

All of them!  Sorry Holly, I've no intention of spending the rest of this morning or even the day reading and countering your incessant repetition about what should have taken place in court 34 years ago.

Think you just want to listen to RLB on AM show talking about the LBGT community.

[Holly Goodhead]

There are multiple options to the shooting reconstruction though, therefore surely you can’t accurately reconstruct? No surviving witnesses either to verify. The court widely accepted that you will never be able to know what order people were killed and exact order of shots. For example you don’t know if the boys were shot first or last, of if Bamber pumped  one in their head then come back to empty more later after they were already dead. Only he knows how he murdered the children.

I will start a new thread about a shooting reconstruction.

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Yes I believe NB made the call before he was shot based on the physical evidence at soc: blood stains and lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  I believe if you look at all those pieces it places NB on the landing stairs facing the entrance to the bedrrom when he sustained the facial shots and the main staircase facing the bottom when he sustained the shots to his shoulder and elbow.

To date no expert evidence exists re shooting reconstruction.

So Sheila has supposedly gone beserk with the gun,meaning she'd started her killing spree and Nevill took himself down stairs to phone JB,rather than the police? you seriously believe this?

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That NB sustained his facial shots whilst he was stood on the landing stairs with the perp stood just inside the main bedroom shooting out onto the landing.

Which I imagine would require a degree of firearm proficiency, as, I believe, had all the shots fired.

 That aside, I'm assuming Nevill to have already been aware that Sheila had the gun, but rather than trying to take it off her, called Jeremy -one hell of a chance for several reasons- then follows her up stairs where she's laying in wait. I find it difficult to believe, having sustained soft tissue wounds which would bleed freely, that he'd have managed to get downstairs without leaving a blood trail rather than just a smear on the wall, or possibly, had his balance been disturbed, tumbled down them.

[Inspector Gadget]

Which I imagine would require a degree of firearm proficiency, as, I believe, had all the shots fired.

 That aside, I'm assuming Nevill to have already been aware that Sheila had the gun, but rather than trying to take it off her, called Jeremy -one hell of a chance for several reasons- then follows her up stairs where she's laying in wait. I find it difficult to believe, having sustained soft tissue wounds which would bleed freely, that he'd have managed to get downstairs without leaving a blood trail rather than just a smear on the wall, or possibly, had his balance been disturbed, tumbled down them.

It’s ridiculous to assume Sheila even done any of this. This was done by a skilled marksman; somebody who also overpowered nevill in kitchen and somebody who didn’t waste a shot. Forensically Sheila has absolutely nothing that suggested she was involved in a struggle, nor that she reloaded and shot 20+ bullets. She also had no experience of using this gun and it was apparently one of the most difficult and complex guns to operate. Sheila did not do this crime so by default JB did; despite the lack of forensics on him as it was incorrectly deemed a murder suicide for a month giving him plenty of time to clean up.

[Holly Goodhead]

I've started a new thread re shooting reconstruction and will transfer posts from here to there.

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Essex police weren't good at crime scenes in at least two mystery's.

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Essex police weren't good at crime scenes in at least two mystery's.

I imagine one of those you mention is the Diana Jones murder? As far as forensics go, the person they suspected of the crime was streets ahead of them and would have pre-empted what they would do by way of investigation. That person also left it several days before reporting her missing. Like Jeremy Bamber, they had time to sell their story and cover their tracks.

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I imagine one of those you mention is the Diana Jones murder? As far as forensics go, the person they suspected of the crime was streets ahead of them and would have pre-empted what they would do by way of investigation. That person also left it several days before reporting her missing. Like Jeremy Bamber, they had time to sell their story and cover their tracks.

Thats three then,Stuart Lubbock.