The phone call

[Angelo222]

Here's the article by Bob Woffinden re the phones.  By his own admission the farm only had one line.  So if someone wanted to prevent occupants using upstairs phones all someone needed to do was take a downstairs phone off the hook thus disabling all other phones from dialling out. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1387438/I-wrong-Jeremy-Bamber-says-crime-writer.html

Which goes to show that Jeremy Bamber didn't know that.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

But we know for sure NB sustained 4 x' gsw's upstairs.  We also know he sustained 4 gsw's downstairs and that any one of these immobilised him.  So if JB burst into the bedroom are you saying NB fled the bedroom unscathed?  Where do you think he was when he sustained his upstairs gsw's?   When NB sustained his upstairs gsw's do you think any of the other victims had been shot?

Well, Jeremy certainly wouldn’t have “burst” into the bedroom, waking everyone up would he?

He crept in, quietly...

Even he wouldn’t be so thick as to have made a noise, hence the silencer

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Someone trying to escape?  Who and from what?

There's no evidence a call was made or wasn't made.

Yes if NB made the call and just dropped the handset he would still be connected to JB as per the evidence of the tel eng at trial which neither proved nor disproved a call.

But Jeremy said Nevill called him...are you saying he lied?

[Holly Goodhead]

But Jeremy said Nevill called him...are you saying he lied?

As I said there's no evidence the call under question was made or wasn't made so I've moved along and think a shooting reconstruction will show it was a distinct possibility.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

What do you find incredulous about a phone call that can neither be proved nor disproved?

No reading glasses, for one

Secondly, anyone who’s terrified dials 999 for police and ambulance

Thirdly, Nevill was putting up a huge fight against Jeremy, so he’d hardly leave him wandering around with the rifle, about to kill his family, while he browsed through a telephone directory (without his glasses) to phone the local police (20 miles away) or his strange son who was powerless and had no key to get in

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I don't believe "supporters" all sing from the same hymn sheet no more than those who believe he's guilty do.

I don't believe NB called the police but if he did as a local magistrate he might well have known the numbers to
local police stations and not had to thumb thru directories as you claim.

Having been shot four times I’d have phoned for an ambulance, urgently, as well as the police

I wouldn’t call the “local” Bobby 20 miles away...maybe you would?

[Holly Goodhead]

No reading glasses, for one

Who had no reading glasses?

Secondly, anyone who’s terrified dials 999 for police and ambulance

Do they?  Maybe NB had reasons not to call the police let alone dial 999.  How do you NB was "terrified"?

Thirdly, Nevill was putting up a huge fight against Jeremy, so he’d hardly leave him wandering around with the rifle, about to kill his family, while he browsed through a telephone directory (without his glasses) to phone the local police (20 miles away) or his strange son who was powerless and had no key to get in

There's no evidence NB fought anyone.  I'm sorry I don't understand your other points? 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

What has been dismantled and disproved in a courtroom? 

10/12 jurors found guilty beyond reasonable doubt based on what they heard during proceedings.  No one knows what weight jurors attributed to the various pieces of evidence and whether they may have heard some they totally rejected.

The trial was a sham imo and the appeals and CCRC apps since have been poorly managed and under resourced. 

I believe high quality forensics using 21st century science and tech along with competent and experienced lawyers who are able to dedicate the required time to the case will overturn the conviction.

10 jurors decided Jeremy Bamber was guilty

Just two were unsure

That’s why we have majority verdicts: they’ll often be a couple of unintelligent jurors...

Fact is: he was found guilty

The appeal court threw the case out in under an hour

And the evidence against him is overwhelming

IF it ever came to court again he’d probably have even more years added to his sentence...

[Holly Goodhead]

10 jurors decided Jeremy Bamber was guilty

Just two were unsure

That’s why we have majority verdicts: they’ll often be a couple of unintelligent jurors...

Fact is: he was found guilty

The appeal court threw the case out in under an hour

And the evidence against him is overwhelming

IF it ever came to court again he’d probably have even more years added to his sentence...

Miscarriages of justice do happen and often those that are high profile are protracted and go back and forth to the appeal court before the conviction is finally quashed. 

He can't have more years added to his sentence since he's serving a whole life terrify. 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Yes I believe NB made the call before he was shot based on the physical evidence at soc: blood stains and lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  I believe if you look at all those pieces it places NB on the landing stairs facing the entrance to the bedrrom when he sustained the facial shots and the main staircase facing the bottom when he sustained the shots to his shoulder and elbow.

To date no expert evidence exists re shooting reconstruction.

Good grief, are you seriously suggesting Nevill phoned the police, or Jeremy (as you’re so eager to believe) with blood pouring/pumping from his face and he he didn’t leave a trace of blood on the phone?

Surely even you, as deluded as you appear, must realise that’s impossible

[Holly Goodhead]

Good grief, are you seriously suggesting Nevill phoned the police, or Jeremy (as you’re so eager to believe) with blood pouring/pumping from his face and he he didn’t leave a trace of blood on the phone?

Surely even you, as deluded as you appear, must realise that’s impossible

Can I ask you to refrain from making personal comments please eg "as deluded as you appear".  The UKJF is a debating forum where posters are entitled to express their views so long as they do not break the forum rules.

I am suggesting NB phone JB from the kitchen prior to any shots being fired.  SC went upstairs and opened fire on June.  Upon hearing shots NB dropped the phone and ran upstairs where he sustained the facial shots on the landing.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The suggestion that in a time of crisis, Nevill would cry for assistance from his lazy, pot smoking, playboy for a son is laughable. Robert Boutflour suspected Jeremy robbed the caravan park are we expected to swallow that he wouldn't have informed Nevill of his suspicions, that they wouldn't at least have discussed it.
It's utter nonsense that Nevill would leave Sheila running amok in the house to get on the phone to his idiot son, instead of calling the police or even Len Foakes. In fact anyone but Jeremy.

Furthermore we know he told Barbara Wilson that he believed Jeremy was capable of anything, "I must never turn my back on that young man"

Couldn’t agree more

As if Nevill could have, would have, phoned his lazy, useless son who he didn’t trust and who lived three miles away —  while he was bleeding profusely with his tongue ripped & larynx paralysed — instead of calling the caretaker, the Boutflours, or the farm workers who lived two minutes away and had a key too — he called the lazy, pot-smoking thief of a son he didn’t trust; who didn’t have a key and was useless in every way

It’s utterly ludicrous

To be honest, this is just insane...everyone knows Jeremy murdered them all, even his little strange group of maiden aunts who want to mother him, despite him now being 60 and supposedly prefers men as lovers

[Holly Goodhead]

Couldn’t agree more

As if Nevill could have, would have, phoned his lazy, useless son who he didn’t trust and who lived three miles away —  while he was bleeding profusely with his tongue ripped & larynx paralysed — instead of calling the caretaker, the Boutflours, or the farm workers who lived two minutes away and had a key too — he called the lazy, pot-smoking thief of a son he didn’t trust; who didn’t have a key and was useless in every way

It’s utterly ludicrous

To be honest, this is just insane...everyone knows Jeremy murdered them all, even his little strange group of maiden aunts who want to mother him, despite him now being 60 and supposedly prefers men as lovers

I agree NB could not have made the call after he sustained the facial wounds but I believe a reconstruction will show NB made the call before he sustained his facial wounds and when he was positioned on the landing stairs and perp inside bedroom.

[G-Unit]

Can I ask you to refrain from making personal comments please eg "as deluded as you appear".  The UKJF is a debating forum where posters are entitled to express their views so long as they do not break the forum rules.

I am suggesting NB phone JB from the kitchen prior to any shots being fired.  SC went upstairs and opened fire on June.  Upon hearing shots NB dropped the phone and ran upstairs where he sustained the facial shots on the landing.

I can see nothing which disproves your opinion. There's no proof that Nevill was injured before the telephone call(s). Shots from above would be an acceptable explanation of the telephone being left off the hook.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

He could have.............but it would have meant knuckling down to some sort of training. He had no qualifications other than charisma!!!! He went with the money. It was easier!!!

Charisma????

Agree with everything else, but...charisma?

He wasn’t even liked