The phone call

[ISpyWithMyEye]

That video is brilliant, thank you! Tbh that confirms to me 1million percent that it wouldn’t have been Sheila. Few things to notice that stand out from that clip :

1) the noise without a moderator! Previously pro Bamber said it wasn’t that noisy without a moderator and nobody would have woken up....but at 3am in a house there’s no way people aren’t waking up and running around when the first shot was fired..... unless a moderator is on.
2) the loading is probably the complex part he is talking about. There is no way Sheila is reloading that twice in a psychotic stage, infact in any state such was her inexperience. That’s far more likely to have been pre loaded, fully loaded, magazines carried by Jeremy via a belt.
3) the accuracy. That looks like you need a degree of skill to aim that let alone connect with 25 consecutive shots.

Actually makes me anxious watching that as you can only imagine the terror they must have felt. The boys would have been murdered by Jeremy first with one shot each before he went to main bedroom to do June and NB. If he hadn’t have done the children first then there’s absolutely no way they would have slept so peacefully through it such was their body positions when murdered.

Jeremy is an evil child killer  !

Yep, he pre-loaded just hours before...

He pre-planned it and just waited for the time when the whole family were sleeping over

He’s an evil cold-bloodied psychopath and the Grim Reaper will get him in prison...sooner rather than later

[steve_trousers]

Couldn’t agree more

As if Nevill could have, would have, phoned his lazy, useless son who he didn’t trust and who lived three miles away —  while he was bleeding profusely with his tongue ripped & larynx paralysed — instead of calling the caretaker, the Boutflours, or the farm workers who lived two minutes away and had a key too — he called the lazy, pot-smoking thief of a son he didn’t trust; who didn’t have a key and was useless in every way

It’s utterly ludicrous

To be honest, this is just insane...everyone knows Jeremy murdered them all, even his little strange group of maiden aunts who want to mother him, despite him now being 60 and supposedly prefers men as lovers

Absolutely right, it was sheer stupidity from Bamber to think he could fool everyone over the telephone call.

It was so stupid that I briefly considered that the phone call could have even been a last minute addition to his scheme, in an attempt to explain the 2 things that went wrong for him that night - Nevills fight downstairs and having to shoot Sheila twice.

But in the end, no. It was too important for him that he arrive with the police, so he could play the helpful and concerned next of kin during the siege and sway them to accept his version of events. Such as "look what's that moving in the window", "my sisters a nutter with knowledge of guns" and nonsense like that.

[Caroline]

Absolutely right, it was sheer stupidity from Bamber to think he could fool everyone over the telephone call.

It was so stupid that I briefly considered that the phone call could have even been a last minute addition to his scheme, in an attempt to explain the 2 things that went wrong for him that night - Nevills fight downstairs and having to shoot Sheila twice.

But in the end, no. It was too important for him that he arrive with the police, so he could play the helpful and concerned next of kin during the siege and sway them to accept his version of events. Such as "look what's that moving in the window", "my sisters a nutter with knowledge of guns" and nonsense like that.

It was also his alibi to separate himself from the scene while making sure the police had the impression that Nevill was alive - therefore, he couldn't have been involved.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

If SC was going "crazy" and had the gun what else would you expect him to say?

We know SC went "crazy" evidenced by her psychiatric history. We know guns were left hanging around the farmhouse.

You don’t know anything of the kind

You weren’t there

You’re making yourself look stupid by claiming Sheila “saw the gun” — the gun Jeremy had so “conveniently” left on a bench (according to his lies)

Had Sheila saw the gun before they all retired to bed, that means she couldn’t have suddenly had a psychotic fit at 3:00am..but had planned it. And how convenient that night Jeremy “just happened ” to leave a fully loaded gun lying around, despite his young nephews being in the house...

Of course, we all know he didn’t really leave it lying around...he hid it for later

Sheila was tranquillised, tired, uncoordinated, and never had the desire, strength, or knowledge to slay her entire family, and vile Jeremy used her poor condition to pin the blame on her.

And had she gone berserk, as wicked Jeremy claims, why would she have killed her parents? Why not just the twins and herself if she wanted to end their lives and hers?

Sheila was frail, unsteady, weak, weary, tired, and despite her problems she was sweet, loving and adored her sons. She adored her dad too.

Had she gone berserk, Nevill, being 6”4”, fit, healthy & powerful could have disarmed that long rifle as she swayed manically by simply overpowering her with one quick arm-lock. Long rifles are easy to to grab rather than shotguns...which Jeremy tried to buy just weeks before

He killed his entire family in cold blood, including two beautiful little six-year-old boys (his nephews) and you’re trying to  help him get leave for appeal and get free.

Trust me, if that monster did ever get set free (which he won’t) you wouldn’t hear from him ever again.

[Holly Goodhead]

I can see nothing which disproves your opinion. There's no proof that Nevill was injured before the telephone call(s). Shots from above would be an acceptable explanation of the telephone being left off the hook.

I don't believe anything exists that disproves it ie that NB could have made the call prior to being shot.  I've uploaded all the material on the shooting reconstruction thread and would be interested in your views.  Unless you're offay with the intricate parts of the anatomy it will take a while to work through as you need to consider all of this along with multiple other factors particularly the trajectory of shots eg angle bullets entered NB's body and the wound tracks.  Key for me is that the pathologist, Dr Vanezis, put the trajectory of the facial shots at 10 - 20 degrees below the horizontal.  NB was 6'4", JB 6'0" and SC 5'7.5" you will see from the layout diagram of WHF that a couple of stairs were situated on the landing just before the entrance to the bedroom.  I believe NB was stood on one of the stairs placing him at a lower level than the perp hence the 10 - 20 degree trajectory below the horizontal.  The distance of the shots was estimated at "within inches".  None of his blood was found in the bedroom.  2 casings were found just inside the bedroom door which fits with how they would eject if shooter was stood just inside door and the flight of casings was impeded by the wall.

NB then sustained two further gsw's to his rear.  The shot to his shoulder the pathologist said was fired from above.  The graze shot to his elbow and chest graze were also downwards. I believe after NB sustained the facial wounds he turned to retreat downstairs and sustained the shoulder/elbow shot on the main staircase facing towards the hall with the perp firing from behind (these shots were to the rear of the body).  Again supported by all the physical evidence: trajectories, wound tracks, 2 casings were found on landing which accounts for these gunshot wounds.  No blood stains were found leading out the bedroom.  2 tiny blood stains were found on the landing which were inconclusive.  The stairs carpet was blood stained but not tested.  A light distribution of blood was found across the kitchen floor.

[steve_trousers]

It was also his alibi to separate himself from the scene while making sure the police had the impression that Nevill was alive - therefore, he couldn't have been involved.

Thanks, I forgot to type that was paramount. And then he failed to learn to differentiate between the tones that would be heard depending on how the receiver had been left.   

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No reading glasses, for one

Secondly, anyone who’s terrified dials 999 for police and ambulance

Thirdly, Nevill was putting up a huge fight against Jeremy, so he’d hardly leave him wandering around with the rifle, about to kill his family, while he browsed through a telephone directory (without his glasses) to phone the local police (20 miles away) or his strange son who was powerless and had no key to get in

How can they do a shooting reconstruction when they’re not certain who Jeremy Bamber shot and killed first, and 34 years have passed?

It isn’t like anyone can come forward is it?

All you’re trying to do is carry out Jeremy Bamber’s instructions, which are “keep me in the news”

Well, except for WhiteHouseFarm being shown on TV, Jeremy Bamber had almost been forgotten, and in a couple of weeks he’ll once again be soggy wet fish & chip paper....

Even when he was convicted for murdering his family and the Chamber if Hirrirs were asked if they’d be putting him in there, they replied “too easily forgotten”

And they were correct

No-one’s given him a thought for decades...except strange old maids

[Holly Goodhead]

How can they do a shooting reconstruction when they’re not certain who Jeremy Bamber shot and killed first, and 34 years have passed?

It isn’t like anyone can come forward is it?

All you’re trying to do is carry out Jeremy Bamber’s instructions, which are “keep me in the news”

Well, except for WhiteHouseFarm being shown on TV, Jeremy Bamber had almost been forgotten, and in a couple of weeks he’ll once again be soggy wet fish & chip paper....

Even when he was convicted for murdering his family and the Chamber if Hirrirs were asked if they’d be putting him in there, they replied “too easily forgotten”

And they were correct

No-one’s given him a thought for decades...except strange old maids

A shooting reconstruction doesn't require any witnesses.  It's based on the physical evidence collected, documented and photographed from soc: blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.

[APRIL]

Charisma????

Agree with everything else, but...charisma?

He wasn’t even liked

It seems that, generally, he wasn't liked...................however, those who have been treated to it, unless they've had cause to see beneath it, have definitely fallen for his charisma.

[steve_trousers]

Quite right, Ispy. At first you try and see it from Holly's point of view, as if just maybe she has spotted something the rest of us haven't.
No, It cannot possibly ever amount to anything when scrutinised by actual judges. For all the good it is worth we might as well all submit our own interpretations using lego.
It's amusing in a way as it serves to show how utterly finished his campaign is.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Who had no reading glasses?
Do they?  Maybe NB had reasons not to call the police let alone dial 999.  How do you NB was "terrified"?

There's no evidence NB fought anyone.  I'm sorry I don't understand your other points?

Nevill was 61 and wire reading glasses to read....


Are you seriously suggesting that if Sheila was going berserk with a gun and she’d already shot him in the face four times, then went upstairs to shoot his wife, daughter & grandchildren he’d try and keep it “quiet”? He needed help (established by Jeremy, so he says) and he needed urgent medical treatment and back-up

Do you honestly think his main concern was keeping it hush hush when his tongue had been ripped in two; his larynx ripped apart?

Stop embarrassing yourself

Oh, and your crush, Jeremy said Nevill sounded terrified....so who’s lying, eh?

Suggest you read the PM reports to see the fight Nevill put up...I’m sure you have

Why are you siding with a monster? You must be so terribly desperate for companionship, even if it that companionship means a boring letter every so often from a psychopath who’s locked in a cage

As an aside, have you noticed how Jeremy never once asks how his weird Fanny club bunch are? It’s all HIM, HIM, HIM.

He’s as interested in you as he is his last burp

It’s sad you can’t see that

[steve_trousers]

It seems that, generally, he wasn't liked...................however, those who have been treated to it, unless they've had cause to see beneath it, have definitely fallen for his charisma.

Hello April, I was thinking about your late neighbour, Nevill's best friend.

Any chance of an uncle Albert style anecdote on Nevill's bravery during the war? Facing the enemy in his little mosquito at 10,000 feet.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Good grief, are you seriously suggesting Nevill phoned the police, or Jeremy (as you’re so eager to believe) with blood pouring/pumping from his face and he he didn’t leave a trace of blood on the phone?

Surely even you, as deluded as you appear, must realise that’s impossible

Very rarely

And if they do, they do not go back & forth to the appeal court

The evidence the convicted had is enough for the conviction to be quashed at the first hearing: such as Colin Stagg

Jeremy Bamber has tried relentlessly to get leaves for appeal, and except for one which was batted out in under an hour and his sentence increased, he’s failed every time

He’s guilty. End of.

You, dear, need to move on and forget it...he will never be released becasue he’s guilty as sin

And I suspect you know he is too

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Can I ask you to refrain from making personal comments please eg "as deluded as you appear".  The UKJF is a debating forum where posters are entitled to express their views so long as they do not break the forum rules.

I am suggesting NB phone JB from the kitchen prior to any shots being fired.  SC went upstairs and opened fire on June.  Upon hearing shots NB dropped the phone and ran upstairs where he sustained the facial shots on the landing.

So you’re saying Nevill happened to be downstairs in the kitchen at approximately 2am when Jeremy climbed through the window, armless?

Really??

[APRIL]

Hello April, I was thinking about your late neighbour, Nevill's best friend.

Any chance of an uncle Albert style anecdote on Nevill's bravery during the war? Facing the enemy in his little mosquito at 10,000 feet.

I'd love to s_t, but sadly, my conversations with him didn't cover that aspect of Nevill's life. I did, however, learn only yesterday, that a friend's late husband used to shoot regularly with him and Jeremy was present at every one he attended, (which rather gives the lie to that he hated blood-sports). He commented to my friend, well before the murders, about how Jeremy would only ever do enough work to say he'd been there and would skive at the first opportunity. Naturally, that many seem to believe him to have been a regular little s--t, doesn't make him a murderer.