The phone call

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I can see nothing which disproves your opinion. There's no proof that Nevill was injured before the telephone call(s). Shots from above would be an acceptable explanation of the telephone being left off the hook.

In which case there’s have been copious amounts of blood and body tissue on the phone, receiver and worktop...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I agree NB could not have made the call after he sustained the facial wounds but I believe a reconstruction will show NB made the call before he sustained his facial wounds and when he was positioned on the landing stairs and perp inside bedroom.

So what you’re implying now is that Nevill — tall, fit, strong, trying to protect his family — and who did indeed put up a tremendous fight — cowardly legged it downstairs when Jeremy walked in with the rifle, leaving his family in deadly grave danger upstairs — and phoned Jeremy ?

Please, stop embarrassing yourself

[Caroline]

A shooting reconstruction doesn't require any witnesses.  It's based on the physical evidence collected, documented and photographed from soc: blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.

There were 5 people killed in this CS and no one knows who was shot first etc. It would tell you nothing about the shooters identity. It wouldn't prove that Nevill had made a call or that he was downstairs prior. I think the IA board and it's amateur detectives has influenced you far too much.

[Caroline]

I agree NB could not have made the call after he sustained the facial wounds but I believe a reconstruction will show NB made the call before he sustained his facial wounds and when he was positioned on the landing stairs and perp inside bedroom.

How does that prove he made a phone call?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

A shooting reconstruction doesn't require any witnesses.  It's based on the physical evidence collected, documented and photographed from soc: blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.

They already have that, in case you’ve forgotten

[Holly Goodhead]

How does that prove he made a phone call?

As I've said numerous times it doesn't.  What it does show is that physiologically it was possible.

[Holly Goodhead]

They already have that, in case you’ve forgotten

No.  To date a shooting reconstruction hasn't been carried out.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Can I ask you to refrain from making personal comments please eg "as deluded as you appear".  The UKJF is a debating forum where posters are entitled to express their views so long as they do not break the forum rules.

I am suggesting NB phone JB from the kitchen prior to any shots being fired.  SC went upstairs and opened fire on June.  Upon hearing shots NB dropped the phone and ran upstairs where he sustained the facial shots on the landing.

Apologies

I’d hate to break rules...

Just as well Jeremy Bamber himself can’t post on here isn’t it?

He burgled and stole money from his father’s caravan site

He grew cannabis or marijuana on his father’s farm

He burgled a jewellery shop in New Zealand

And that’s just a small selection of the disgraceful crimes we know about...EXCEPT...he then plotted and planned and then carried out the murders of his dad, mum, sister and two six-year-old nephews...

I suppose that would mean a ban?

[Caroline]

As I've said numerous times it doesn't.  What it does show is that physiologically it was possible.

This is such a weak argument that it just wouldn't pass muster Holly.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

As I've said numerous times it doesn't.  What it does show is that physiologically it was possible.

Do you understand what physiologically means?

It’s where the inner organs react to stimulation e.g. drugs, adrenaline, thoughts etc

Please, stop embarrassing yourself...

[G-Unit]

In which case there’s have been copious amounts of blood and body tissue on the phone, receiver and worktop...

Why, if he wasn't injured at that point?

[Holly Goodhead]

There were 5 people killed in this CS and no one knows who was shot first etc. It would tell you nothing about the shooters identity. It wouldn't prove that Nevill had made a call or that he was downstairs prior. I think the IA board and it's amateur detectives has influenced you far too much.

Two of the IA amateur detectives are American.  Shooting reconstructions in US are routine due to the number of shooting incidents based on wide ownership of firearms.  I believe one of the amateur detectives was a former officer in the military and current police officer.  The other amateur detective is I believe a professional crime writer.

In terms of WHF some aspects of the case will never be known for sure but imo those aspects are largely irrelevant.  What the physical evidence at WHF soc can and will determine is where NB was when he sustained his upstairs gsw's and that's the most important aspect of a shooting reconstruction.

[Caroline]

Two of the IA amateur detectives are American.  Shooting reconstructions in US are routine due to the number of shooting incidents based on wide ownership of firearms.  I believe one of the amateur detectives was a former officer in the military and current police officer.  The other amateur detective is I believe a professional crime writer.

In terms of WHF some aspects of the case will never be known for sure but imo those aspects are largely irrelevant.  What the physical evidence at WHF soc can and will determine is where NB was when he sustained his upstairs gsw's and that's the most important aspect of a shooting reconstruction.

You mean 'Charlie'? Yes, I saw his reconstruction of how Sheila supposedly shot herself, he lay on the floor with a rifle (no silencer) under his chin. I don't think it took much thought to reconstruct that.

CAL is a crime writer and you have dismissed quite a lot of what she had to say.

Where Nevill was makes no odds. The defence had the opportunity to argue that Nevill could have received a call prior to being shot, they chose not to.

[mrswah]

Thank you Holly. As yet I'm not convinced that there was just one phone call to the police because the two records don't match.

I'm not convinced either--------------!

[Caroline]

I'm not convinced either--------------!

Made your mind up about Tabac yet?