The phone call

[G-Unit]

Why? If he couldn't get the gun (although there is no reason why he couldn't) then how would he expect Jeremy to when they didn't get on. The call would have wasted valuable time. It just didn't happen.

Question: How did Sheila manage to get the rifle, attach the magazine and get passed Nevill? Where was Nevill when this happened? If in bed, he must have gotten up and saw her with the rifle; are we then to stretch reality and consider that he just let her go upstairs with a fully loaded rifle while he called Jeremy? REALLY? If he was downstairs, how did she manage to attach the magazine with him in the vicinity? Did he just stand watching? The whole thing just doesn't make any sense.

As no-one knows where anyone was or who was awake or asleep then it's just a matter of opinion. According to what I've read Nevill's habit was to walk the dogs, put them back in, lock up, have a shower downstairs and repair to the Lounge with a drink before bed. If he followed his routine Sheila had opportunities then to get the gun and take it upstairs.

[Holly Goodhead]

As no-one knows where anyone was or who was awake or asleep then it's just a matter of opinion. According to what I've read Nevill's habit was to walk the dogs, put them back in, lock up, have a shower downstairs and repair to the Lounge with a drink before bed. If he followed his routine Sheila had opportunities then to get the gun and take it upstairs.

Anything is possible that doesn't detract from the physical evidence at soc. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Pillows on NB and SC's bed depict indentations suggesting they had been to bed at some point.  My thoughts are the pair then went downstairs when NB called JB and SC run upstairs with the gun and opened fire on June who had her head on the pillow when first shot as per the expert evidence.  When NB and SC arrived downstairs and why is anyone's guess.

[Holly Goodhead]

The following shows a woman with long manicured and polished nails loading a mag, chambering a round and firing at targets.  Nothing could be simpler unless someone was suffering learning disabilities and there's no evidence SC was.

SC was brought up around firearms and witnessed others using them all the time.

Other pieces of equipment SC must have mastered eg baby/child equipment such as a twin buggy/pram are far more complex than the rifle.

https://youtu.be/whOpcwwu5Zo

[Caroline]

As no-one knows where anyone was or who was awake or asleep then it's just a matter of opinion. According to what I've read Nevill's habit was to walk the dogs, put them back in, lock up, have a shower downstairs and repair to the Lounge with a drink before bed. If he followed his routine Sheila had opportunities then to get the gun and take it upstairs.

And Jeremy had time to come back to WHF.

If Sheila took the gun upstairs, how did Nevill know she had it? Where was he when he found out? If still downstairs, how did he know, if up why would he go down to call Jeremy and leave her there?

[Caroline]

Pillows on NB and SC's bed depict indentations suggesting they had been to bed at some point.  My thoughts are the pair then went downstairs when NB called JB and SC run upstairs with the gun and opened fire on June who had her head on the pillow when first shot as per the expert evidence.  When NB and SC arrived downstairs and why is anyone's guess.

They went downstairs? Has Sheila got the gun at this point? If so, why would NB waste time calling Jeremy instead of disarming Sheila and allowing her to go upstairs? When did she get the gun? While downstairs with Nevill or as someone else suggested, earlier and took it upstairs? If she took it upstairs, Nevill had to see her with it at some point or he wouldn't have known she had it and be able to tell Jeremy she had it. The whole thing is full of holes.

[Caroline]

The following shows a woman with long manicured and polished nails loading a mag, chambering a round and firing at targets.  Nothing could be simpler unless someone was suffering learning disabilities and there's no evidence SC was.

SC was brought up around firearms and witnessed others using them all the time.

Other pieces of equipment SC must have mastered eg baby/child equipment such as a twin buggy/pram are far more complex than the rifle.

https://youtu.be/whOpcwwu5Zo

You not seriously suggesting this is like for like are you? The woman is clearly proficient with guns and at what point in the video does the woman suffer a psychotic attack? 

SC was NOT familiar with the .22 rifle. It had been fairly recently bought and the period was during her illness. Bamber told me me had never shown her own to use it and there is no reason why she would have needed to. She may have grown up in a household that had guns but she went off to private school around 8 years of age and I am sure no one forced a gun in her hand at that age. There is no evidence that Sheila knew how to load and fire the rifle - in fact there is much to show the opposite.

[Geordie]

I'm a bit ignorant on the issue of dial tones so would be grateful if someone could explain the difference between the engaged tone and when the phone is left off the hook. Or is this something only an exchange operator would know.

[Caroline]

I'm a bit ignorant on the issue of dial tones so would be grateful if someone could explain the difference between the engaged tone and when the phone is left off the hook. Or is this something only an exchange operator would know.

Off the hook - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtH3riyICyc

Engaged - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZJgTnwJfLU

[mrswah]

Off the hook - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtH3riyICyc

Engaged - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZJgTnwJfLU

Thanks Caroline----I need to look that up too!

[Myster]

You not seriously suggesting this is like for like are you? The woman is clearly proficient with guns and at what point in the video does the woman suffer a psychotic attack? 

SC was NOT familiar with the .22 rifle. It had been fairly recently bought and the period was during her illness. Bamber told me me had never shown her own to use it and there is no reason why she would have needed to. She may have grown up in a household that had guns but she went off to private school around 8 years of age and I am sure no one forced a gun in her hand at that age. There is no evidence that Sheila knew how to load and fire the rifle - in fact there is much to show the opposite.

Totally agree.  That brazen American hussy could crack nuts between her thighs whereas Sheila would have had difficulty even using a nutcracker.  They're as different as chalk to cheese and a ludicrous comparison..

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Nevill ringing Bamber at 3am, would be the strangest reaction I can think of to being shot 4 times.

But with Nevill shot 4 times, there is no doubt Sheila had a gun and was going crazy. Resulting in Nevill only saying 9 words.

Prosecution & defence agreed this is when Nevill's phone call was made. There have been no alternative suggestions from the OS since conviction.

Not sure if you’ve been reading the false statements of JB and his team, but Nevill didn’t make a phone call

Besides proof from the police, are you suggesting when Nevill had his jaw smashed, half his tongue ripped out, a bullet in his larynx rendering him speechless — he decided to call JB rather than an ambulance and police?

Please...this is ridiculous

BTW, neither the prosecution or defence said Nevill made a phone call. You’re reading lies

[ISpyWithMyEye]

There was no reason why the phone should be covered in blood, and Nevill may have been familiar with the local police number, him being a Magistrate.

But Nevill’s face was absolutely covered in blood????!

And working as a magistrate about 10 days a YEAR in a court, would hardly suggest he knew, needed, wanted the number of Chelmsford Police Station 20 miles away lol

Magistrates have secretaries...and back then receptionists called offices on behalf of their boss...

Besides, the police CONFIRMED Nevill phones them

This is becoming farcical

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Pillows on NB and SC's bed depict indentations suggesting they had been to bed at some point.  My thoughts are the pair then went downstairs when NB called JB and SC run upstairs with the gun and opened fire on June who had her head on the pillow when first shot as per the expert evidence.  When NB and SC arrived downstairs and why is anyone's guess.

What, and left his wife June to be shit dead?????!!!!

[Holly Goodhead]

They went downstairs? Has Sheila got the gun at this point? If so, why would NB waste time calling Jeremy instead of disarming Sheila and allowing her to go upstairs? When did she get the gun? While downstairs with Nevill or as someone else suggested, earlier and took it upstairs? If she took it upstairs, Nevill had to see her with it at some point or he wouldn't have known she had it and be able to tell Jeremy she had it. The whole thing is full of holes.

I'm not suggesting they went downstairs together.  But given the physical evidence supports NB in the kitchen on the phone to JB with SC going upstairs and opening fire on June in bed and NB hearing gunshots and dropping the phone to run upstairs and then sustaining his gunshot wounds on the landing stairs this is all that matters. 

If the rifle was left out as JB claimed NB may well have moved it and/or emptied the mag but there was nothing to prevent SC seeking out the rifle given they were not locked away.

The pair may have been downstairs for some time talking about the twin's future.  It is obvious SC was not well enough to look after them.