The phone call

[Holly Goodhead]

But it's possible to have said that of all the victims, isn't it? The expert marksman Jeremy was could have dispatched all of them -especially the sleeping twins- with just a single shot. He wasn't trying to demonstrate his own prowess -which would have been an immediate give away- he was demonstrating how someone incompetent would have shot had they gone berserk.

I thought those who believe JB responsible claim he left the rifle out all ready for SC to go except by wasting so many shots she had to hunt out further ammo and reload at least twice.

There's a marksman and there's a mad man!  Only a mad man would think it possible he could control 3 adults in at least two different rooms and 2 children in another room and make it look manic in the process.

Although SC was inexperienced with firearms she only had to control 2 adults in 2 completely different locations within the house. This she did by initially firing 5/6 shots at June in the bedroom and seriously wounding her in the process to the extent her injuries would have killed her had the head shots not supervened.  NB then sustained the two facial shots as he stood on the landing stairs which, like June's initial shots, would have killed him had the head shots not supervened.

[Holly Goodhead]

Nah... Far too risky.  By doing that it would put his year long plan in danger of failure. He panicked when they became moving targets and couldn't decide which to shoot first, so took random potshots at both until they eventually succumbed to their wounds before delivering the final six to their heads.

All shots fired were within 2 feet.  Hardly something for a marksman to panic about.  How could anyone miss?  It's why fairs have plastic ducks and not mannequins!

[Myster]

All shots fired were within 2 feet.  Hardly something for a marksman to panic about.  How could anyone miss?  It's why fairs have plastic ducks and not mannequins!

As I've said numerous times, his plan was to dispose of everyone with head shots while they were asleep... but it nearly went pear-shaped because they weren't.

[barrier]

By using 25/26 cartridges it involved at least 2 reloads which kind of defeats the arguments about JB's claims of bunny hunting earlier as a ruse for leaving the rifle out if SC had to hunt out ammo and reload at least twice.

Ok,in what order were they fired is it known? 5 for one of the poor lads 3 for the other 2 for Sheila it was 7 shots for June 8 for Nevill,at some stage a reload had to occur,what shot out of the 7 to June and the 8 for Nevill killed?


If the twins were shot first,that was 8 possibly one each into June and Nevill,then a reload,if neither June or Nevill suffered fatally with the first shot each one especially Nevill would put up a fight,Shelia's body never displayed any evidence of this did it?

[Holly Goodhead]

As I've said numerous times, his plan was to dispose of everyone with head shots while they were asleep... but it nearly went pear-shaped because they weren't.

Of course they weren't asleep.  NB and SC were downstairs.  NB then phoned JB and in the meantime SC went upstairs and opened fire on June until NB appeared on the landing and SC turned 90 degrees to inflict the facial wounds to NB

[APRIL]

I thought those who believe JB responsible claim he left the rifle out all ready for SC to go except by wasting so many shots she had to hunt out further ammo and reload at least twice.

There's a marksman and there's a mad man!  Only a mad man would think it possible he could control 3 adults in at least two different rooms and 2 children in another room and make it look manic in the process.

Although SC was inexperienced with firearms she only had to control 2 adults in 2 completely different locations within the house. This she did by initially firing 5/6 shots at June in the bedroom and seriously wounding her in the process to the extent her injuries would have killed her had the head shots not supervened.  NB then sustained the two facial shots as he stood on the landing stairs which, like June's initial shots, would have killed him had the head shots not supervened.

No one would commit any crime without first being supremely confident of getting away with it. The doubts we speak of are ours, not theirs.

The Sheila you're presenting, to have worked out how she'd control her victims, is way more calculated than the emotionally crippled woman I see her as being.

[Caroline]

By using 25/26 cartridges it involved at least 2 reloads which kind of defeats the arguments about JB's claims of bunny hunting earlier as a ruse for leaving the rifle out if SC had to hunt out ammo and reload at least twice.

Hunt out ammo, he had tipped it on the counter top in full view of SC (allegedly). She didn't have to hunt for anything - it was all conveniently laid out for his story. This along with him telling the cops that she knew how to use all of the guns - in his mind - gets him off the hook.

[Caroline]

I thought those who believe JB responsible claim he left the rifle out all ready for SC to go except by wasting so many shots she had to hunt out further ammo and reload at least twice.

There's a marksman and there's a mad man!  Only a mad man would think it possible he could control 3 adults in at least two different rooms and 2 children in another room and make it look manic in the process.

Although SC was inexperienced with firearms she only had to control 2 adults in 2 completely different locations within the house. This she did by initially firing 5/6 shots at June in the bedroom and seriously wounding her in the process to the extent her injuries would have killed her had the head shots not supervened.  NB then sustained the two facial shots as he stood on the landing stairs which, like June's initial shots, would have killed him had the head shots not supervened.

Or a psychopath.

[Caroline]

All shots fired were within 2 feet.  Hardly something for a marksman to panic about.  How could anyone miss?  It's why fairs have plastic ducks and not mannequins!

Of course they could have missed - the shot to Nevill on the stairs couldn't have been 2 feels away. I thought you weren't impressed by the ballistics evidence? You do use it though when backing up points like this.

[G-Unit]

No one would commit any crime without first being supremely confident of getting away with it. The doubts we speak of are ours, not theirs.

The Sheila you're presenting, to have worked out how she'd control her victims, is way more calculated than the emotionally crippled woman I see her as being.

Both the Bamber children were emotionally crippled in my opinion. At the time of the shootings, however, the one who was most likely to have a meltdown of some kind was Sheila. She had a failed marriage, a failed career, severe mental problems and was unable to care for her children. That looks like rock bottom to me.

[puglove]

Or a psychopath.

A narcissistic psychopath. When John Henry Browne talks about Ted Bundy, he could be describing Bamber.

[Caroline]

Both the Bamber children were emotionally crippled in my opinion. At the time of the shootings, however, the one who was most likely to have a meltdown of some kind was Sheila. She had a failed marriage, a failed career, severe mental problems and was unable to care for her children. That looks like rock bottom to me.

She also had a family that paid her rent, gave her money as and when she needed it. She didn't really have to work and could see her kids whenever she wanted. Her mental issues were being medicated - which is why all descriptions are of someone uncoordinated. These descriptions come from independent sources - NOT just the family. Jeremy didn't have a 'meltdown' - he had a plan and a liking for the highlife.

[APRIL]

Both the Bamber children were emotionally crippled in my opinion. At the time of the shootings, however, the one who was most likely to have a meltdown of some kind was Sheila. She had a failed marriage, a failed career, severe mental problems and was unable to care for her children. That looks like rock bottom to me.

Sheila had HAD a melt down. Sheila had expressed her unhappiness. Sheila had expressed frustration -remember how she'd hurled things?- Jeremy had kept it all inside. A very dangerous place for it to be kept, when it eventually explodes. 

[Caroline]

Sheila had HAD a melt down. Sheila had expressed her unhappiness. Sheila had expressed frustration -remember how she'd hurled things?- Jeremy had kept it all inside. A very dangerous place for it to be kept, when it eventually explodes.

Sheila admitted she was bothered by her adoption and did something about it. She met her real mother and the meeting went well and she was 'looking forward' to building a relationship with her. Jeremy claimed it didn't bother him - I don't buy that.

[APRIL]

Sheila admitted she was bothered by her adoption and did something about it. She met her real mother and the meeting went well and she was 'looking forward' to building a relationship with her. Jeremy claimed it didn't bother him - I don't buy that.

Nor do I. He may have come to the decision to do nothing about it, but I can't accept that he "wasn't bothered".