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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The phone call
« Reply #450 on: February 27, 2020, 05:45:14 PM »
I didn't think you believed Bamber so why are you quoting him?

If anyone wants to understand the case properly I would recommend giving JB and his so-called Campaign Team a very wide berth. Try forensic text books instead.

In terms of the final two shots as they were contact the muzzle against the skin will act as a natural suppressor absorbing the muzzle blast.
Where did I quote him?  I did not!  I find it incredible that two shots from a shotgun fired even at close quarters would have not produced any noise audible to those many individuals surrounding the house.  I suppose after the first shot Sheila also managed not to scream out in agony either - how very unfortunate for Jeremy.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The phone call
« Reply #451 on: February 27, 2020, 05:47:24 PM »
Please desist with the melo-drama.  If your sensibilities are so affected by those of us who either consider JB a moj or think he could be then please look away.

Man on moon/9/11/ Death of Lee Rugby were all witnessed by numerous others and the official version of events maintained throughout.  The murders at WHF have no surviving witnesses to them and the official version of events from day 1 was murder/suicide.  Even an independent review some 3/4 weeks later concluded murder/suicide.  The relatives, who went on to inherit the Bamber estate, were allowed to exert influence over the direction of the investigation and investigators.
The murders at WHF do have one surviving witness and he’s behind bars where he belongs.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The phone call
« Reply #452 on: February 27, 2020, 05:49:39 PM »


I see it as more analogous to having two consultations with experts and making an informed choice between the two.  Eg you can take on board Malcolm Fletcher's trial testimony whereby he claims the drawback phenomenon was almost certain to occur or you can go with Dr Vincent Di Maio that in a high % of cases contact wounds do not result in blood presenting in or on the barrel.
 

SC may have shot herself before the police arrived and if she didn't the officers were unlikely to hear the sound of gunshot from a. 22 with subsonic ammo and contact wounds.  Plus they were not standing directly under the 1st floor window but some distance back.

Now who's deviating from expert opinion?  I'll stick with forensic scientist Dr Ismail thanks over yourself and David.
If she shot herself before the police arrived then that surely makes a nonsense of Bamber’s latest alibi ruse.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #453 on: February 27, 2020, 05:50:38 PM »
Where did I quote him?  I did not!  I find it incredible that two shots from a shotgun fired even at close quarters would have not produced any noise audible to those many individuals surrounding the house.  I suppose after the first shot Sheila also managed not to scream out in agony either - how very unfortunate for Jeremy.

The murder weapon was a. 22 rifle with subsonic ammo not a shotgun.  May I suggest you at least familiarise yourself with the basics.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The phone call
« Reply #454 on: February 27, 2020, 05:52:24 PM »
The murder weapon was a. 22 rifle with subsonic ammo not a shotgun.  May I suggest you at least familiarise yourself with the basics.
Don’t patronise me.  I thought you were keen to recruit newbies to the case.  Are we not allowed to comment until we pass a basic test?

Do these guns not make a noise? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #455 on: February 27, 2020, 05:55:49 PM »


I see it as more analogous to having two consultations with experts and making an informed choice between the two.  Eg you can take on board Malcolm Fletcher's trial testimony whereby he claims the drawback phenomenon was almost certain to occur or you can go with Dr Vincent Di Maio that in a high % of cases contact wounds do not result in blood presenting in or on the barrel.
 

SC may have shot herself before the police arrived and if she didn't the officers were unlikely to hear the sound of gunshot from a. 22 with subsonic ammo and contact wounds.  Plus they were not standing directly under the 1st floor window but some distance back.

Now who's deviating from expert opinion?  I'll stick with forensic scientist Dr Ismail thanks over yourself and David.

Either way, it's an 'opinion'.

I don't think they were unlikely to hear the shot at all - but then again - it's an opinion.

However, the notion that Sheila's head remained upright after she was shot, isn't an opinion the blood trail PROVE her head was flat. Were her head still upright, blood would have ran down her chin and the blood fro, her nose could NOT have pooled in her eye - unless you want to argue against the laws of gravity? I don't believe I mentioned Ismail? I said the officer who claimed her her was upright must have been mistaken, the fact that he noticed the woulds under her chin are also evidence of this. We have the CS photo Holly it's no good dimissing something simply because it doesn't fit with your theories.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #456 on: February 27, 2020, 06:03:46 PM »
Don’t patronise me.  I thought you were keen to recruit newbies to the case.  Are we not allowed to comment until we pass a basic test?

Do these guns not make a noise?

Yes they do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgz0lqGVouo

Offline Myster

Re: The phone call
« Reply #457 on: February 27, 2020, 06:39:04 PM »
Don’t patronise me.  I thought you were keen to recruit newbies to the case.  Are we not allowed to comment until we pass a basic test?

Do these guns not make a noise?
Only when they believe in the Holy Godhead.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline adam

Re: The phone call
« Reply #458 on: February 27, 2020, 07:27:55 PM »
https://youtu.be/_S9U_ljZpts

1 minute 50.

Even the actor playing Nevill looks unconvincing when speaking to Jeremy.

Not sure why he didn't say 'please come over, Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'.  That is what Nevill said.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2020, 07:33:05 PM by adam »

Offline Myster

Re: The phone call
« Reply #459 on: February 27, 2020, 07:48:04 PM »
"He was in a state of traumatic shock"... https://youtu.be/_S9U_ljZpts?t=273

Incredible how the gullible are so easily fooled.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #460 on: February 27, 2020, 07:52:07 PM »
"He was in a state of traumatic shock"... https://youtu.be/_S9U_ljZpts?t=273

Incredible how the gullible are so easily fooled.

At that time, there was nothing for him to be in traumatic shock about.

Offline barrier

Re: The phone call
« Reply #461 on: February 27, 2020, 08:51:24 PM »
"He was in a state of traumatic shock"... https://youtu.be/_S9U_ljZpts?t=273

Incredible how the gullible are so easily fooled.

2;30 in,reporter said there had been reports of shots,who reported this,Nevill didn't,according to Bamber he (Nevill) said she had gone crazy with the gun,no mention of any shooting.Did Bamber at any time say that there had been shots fired,if so how did he know?
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Myster

Re: The phone call
« Reply #462 on: February 28, 2020, 05:48:18 AM »
2;30 in,reporter said there had been reports of shots,who reported this,Nevill didn't,according to Bamber he (Nevill) said she had gone crazy with the gun,no mention of any shooting.Did Bamber at any time say that there had been shots fired,if so how did he know?
The reporter was mistaken, evidence of Chinese whispers. No-one, including Bamber himself, heard or mentioned any sound resembling gun fire.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline barrier

Re: The phone call
« Reply #463 on: February 28, 2020, 06:43:24 AM »
The reporter was mistaken, evidence of Chinese whispers. No-one, including Bamber himself, heard or mentioned any sound resembling gun fire.
Thanks,that's what I thought,so why did armed police turn up? was it purely on the say so of Bambers words supposedly quoting Nevill that Sheila had gone crazy with the gun.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline John

Re: The phone call
« Reply #464 on: February 28, 2020, 07:20:37 AM »
Thanks,that's what I thought,so why did armed police turn up? was it purely on the say so of Bambers words supposedly quoting Nevill that Sheila had gone crazy with the gun.

Yes. The decision was based on Jeremy Bamber's phone call to Chelmsford police HQ.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.