The phone call

[Myster]

Thanks,that's what I thought,so why did armed police turn up? was it purely on the say so of Bambers words supposedly quoting Nevill that Sheila had gone crazy with the gun.

Yes, it was Sgt. Chris Bews decision to call in the TFU on hearing Bamber's BS.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/197577/Jeremy-Bamber-is-a-murderer-I-know-it

[Holly Goodhead]

Thanks,that's what I thought,so why did armed police turn up? was it purely on the say so of Bambers words supposedly quoting Nevill that Sheila had gone crazy with the gun.

Yes the mention of a gun AND when PS Bews and PC Myall did a reccee of the farmhouse with JB, PSBews thought he saw movement at the bedroom window.  This was subsequently written off as a 'trick of the light'.  Firearms officers were then called out.

[Holly Goodhead]

Yes, it was Sgt. Chris Bews decision to call in the TFU on hearing Bamber's BS.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/197577/Jeremy-Bamber-is-a-murderer-I-know-it

It wasn't DCI Jones who concluded murder/suicide it was Chief Sup George Harris who was one of the first in after firearms left.

With regard to JB's state I prefer to rely on the police surgeon who was tasked with assessing JB and said in his opinion he was in a state of shock.

And PS Bews' claim that evidence was lost as soc was written off as murder/suicide is wrong.  Everything of evidential value was collected, documented and sent to FSS. The only exception being the items the relatives found ie silencer and scratches on mantle.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=157.msg1746#msg1746

[Caroline]

It wasn't DCI Jones who concluded murder/suicide it was Chief Sup George Harris who was one of the first in after firearms left.

With regard to JB's state I prefer to rely on the police surgeon who was tasked with assessing JB and said in his opinion he was in a state of shock.

And PS Bews' claim that evidence was lost as soc was written off as murder/suicide is wrong.  Everything of evidential value was collected, documented and sent to FSS. The only exception being the items the relatives found ie silencer and scratches on mantle.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=157.msg1746#msg1746

Why would Dr Craig think anything else? I doubt he's used to people faking and acting grief so he takes them on face value.

[APRIL]

It wasn't DCI Jones who concluded murder/suicide it was Chief Sup George Harris who was one of the first in after firearms left.

With regard to JB's state I prefer to rely on the police surgeon who was tasked with assessing JB and said in his opinion he was in a state of shock.

And PS Bews' claim that evidence was lost as soc was written off as murder/suicide is wrong.  Everything of evidential value was collected, documented and sent to FSS. The only exception being the items the relatives found ie silencer and scratches on mantle.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=157.msg1746#msg1746

We were once discouraged from placing too much reliance on what Dr Craig had to say on the grounds that he was allegedly too dependent on alcohol. That being the case, is it possible that his assessment of Jeremy's shock/ grief was less than accurate?

[mrswah]

Jeremy IS guilty and therefore blaming his victims (whether whiter than white or fallible human beings)  is an extremely unpleasant (some might say despicable) pastime for busybodies to indulge in on the internet.  IMO.

Off topic, I know, but just thought I'd say that I have started a thread on "victim blaming" in the Wide Awake area.

[Caroline]

We were once discouraged from placing too much reliance on what Dr Craig had to say on the grounds that he was allegedly too dependent on alcohol. That being the case, is it possible that his assessment of Jeremy's shock/ grief was less than accurate?

Given that he was at the scene of five deaths and the only surviving member of the family looked upset, what reason would he have to think is was anything else other than genuine?

[APRIL]

Given that he was at the scene of five deaths and the only surviving member of the family looked upset, what reason would he have to think is was anything else other than genuine?

None whatsoever.....................with or without alcohol!!!

[barrier]

Plural/pieces

The official police line initially was murder/suicide was it not,I therefore presume the coroner in releasing the bodies post haste for cremation was in agreement.So  what is it you think that they would have with held in evidence from the defence team? if anything it would be unobtainable for the prosecution.

[Caroline]

Plural/pieces

Something The A Team has cobbled?

[Holly Goodhead]

Why would Dr Craig think anything else? I doubt he's used to people faking and acting grief so he takes them on face value.

He was a police surgeon of long experience in addition to running a local general practice and elected president of the police surgeons association.  He no doubt had a lot of experience in having to be the bearer of bad news and deal with the fall-out.  You would also hope that someone in such a position would have extremely good interpersonal skills/emotional intelligence in judging what was going on in terms of people's body language etc.

[Holly Goodhead]

We were once discouraged from placing too much reliance on what Dr Craig had to say on the grounds that he was allegedly too dependent on alcohol. That being the case, is it possible that his assessment of Jeremy's shock/ grief was less than accurate?

I take no notice of gossip and hearsay.  Is there any evidence he was disciplined or patients complained to the general medical council? 

[Holly Goodhead]

The official police line initially was murder/suicide was it not,I therefore presume the coroner in releasing the bodies post haste for cremation was in agreement.So  what is it you think that they would have with held in evidence from the defence team? if anything it would be unobtainable for the prosecution.

The pathologist carried out complete pm's on all victims.  What do you think he overlooked?  I would point out he was at one time a guest on Desert Island discs.

The fact SC's body was moved by those at soc pre soc images taken was withheld from the defence.  Also blood test results on the bible have never been made available.

[Myster]

But Dr. V didn't play Jem's favourite toon - "Full Sutton Prison Blues" by Johnny 'Give-us-some' Cash...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p009491v

[APRIL]

I take no notice of gossip and hearsay.  Is there any evidence he was disciplined or patients complained to the general medical council?

The person responsible for delivering the information was one of his patients, other than that, as I'm not in that area, I can't say. However, I most emphatically do know that back then, doctors were at patients' beck and call well after surgery hours and a large drink or three was part of their diet and the drink/drive laws weren't as stringent as they are now.

 I also don't believe that the absence of evidence denotes innocence. I also think it's perfectly reasonable for him to assume, as Jeremy was the only family member left alive after the others had been slaughtered, that he was in shock.