The phone call

[barrier]

The pathologist carried out complete pm's on all victims.  What do you think he overlooked? I would point out he was at one time a guest on Desert Island discs.

The fact SC's body was moved by those at soc pre soc images taken was withheld from the defence.  Also blood test results on the bible have never been made available.

I don't think he overlooked any thing,you are the one with a conspiracy that is to keep Bamber in prison,I'm pointing out he was more than likely happy with the initial synopsis,but having said that,they are not there to investigate,thats up to detective's,which thankfully Stan Jones did.When were the results of the bible test's known?

[barrier]

The pathologist carried out complete pm's on all victims.  What do you think he overlooked?  I would point out he was at one time a guest on Desert Island discs.

The fact SC's body was moved by those at soc pre soc images taken was withheld from the defence.  Also blood test results on the bible have never been made available.

Does appearing on desert island disc carry some kind of kudos?

[APRIL]

Does appearing on desert island disc carry some kind of kudos?

Possibly. Another guest was HRH The Princess Margaret, The Countess of Snowdon!!!!!

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't think he overlooked any thing,you are the one with a conspiracy that is to keep Bamber in prison,I'm pointing out he was more than likely happy with the initial synopsis,but having said that,they are not there to investigate,thats up to detective's,which thankfully Stan Jones did.When were the results of the bible test's known?

Do miscarriages of justice have to involve a conspiracy?

The initial synopsis was murder/suicide and Dr Vanezis found nothing to contradict this.  Plus he states all four officers present throughout the pm's were proceeding with murder/suicide.

All blood stained exhibuts were tested and the results made known to the defence but the results for the bible are an unknown. Obviously the defence should have pursued this.

[Holly Goodhead]

Does appearing on desert island disc carry some kind of kudos?

How many pathologists have been guests on desert island discs?!

[Caroline]

He was a police surgeon of long experience in addition to running a local general practice and elected president of the police surgeons association.  He no doubt had a lot of experience in having to be the bearer of bad news and deal with the fall-out.  You would also hope that someone in such a position would have extremely good interpersonal skills/emotional intelligence in judging what was going on in terms of people's body language etc.

There is no reason why he should have known the difference between real grief and play acting. None whatsoever.

[Caroline]

The pathologist carried out complete pm's on all victims.  What do you think he overlooked?  I would point out he was at one time a guest on Desert Island discs.

The fact SC's body was moved by those at soc pre soc images taken was withheld from the defence.  Also blood test results on the bible have never been made available.

Only her arm was moved so nothing to release.

[Caroline]

Do miscarriages of justice have to involve a conspiracy?

The initial synopsis was murder/suicide and Dr Vanezis found nothing to contradict this.  Plus he states all four officers present throughout the pm's were proceeding with murder/suicide.

All blood stained exhibuts were tested and the results made known to the defence but the results for the bible are an unknown. Obviously the defence should have pursued this.

But that isn't true Holly, he said that had he seen the body in situ, he would have had concerns.

[Caroline]

How many pathologists have been guests on desert island discs?!

Is the link significant?

[puglove]

We were once discouraged from placing too much reliance on what Dr Craig had to say on the grounds that he was allegedly too dependent on alcohol. That being the case, is it possible that his assessment of Jeremy's shock/ grief was less than accurate?

The "boozy Dr. Craig" story came from Gladys Beltdown, who used to pretend to be a SAS soldier called Gav, so, you know...….

 

[barrier]

How many pathologists have been guests on desert island discs?!

Who cares.

[mrswah]

There is no reason why he should have known the difference between real grief and play acting. None whatsoever.

How do any of us know the difference between real grief and play acting, if we didn't know the person involved, and we weren't there?

[Caroline]

How do any of us know the difference between real grief and play acting, if we didn't know the person involved, and we weren't there?

I'm not the one saying we can but if Bamber killed his family, he wasn't suffering from grief.

[barrier]

Do miscarriages of justice have to involve a conspiracy?

The initial synopsis was murder/suicide and Dr Vanezis found nothing to contradict this.  Plus he states all four officers present throughout the pm's were proceeding with murder/suicide.

All blood stained exhibuts were tested and the results made known to the defence but the results for the bible are an unknown. Obviously the defence should have pursued this.

More than likely the blood on the bible would come from three/ four adults,I don't think it would be wrong to surmise it would not have belonged to JB,the prosecution would possibly have used this.So that leaves three.Correct me if I'm wrong but it was found in the bedroom where Sheila and Junes bodies were found,so possibly narrows it even more.Not sure of the significance you're trying to put on it,but it won't absolve Bamber from being a child killer.

[Holly Goodhead]

There is no reason why he should have known the difference between real grief and play acting. None whatsoever.

And if in your opinion there's no reason a medi doc is able to distinguish between 'real grief' and 'play acting' then what makes you and others so sure the likes of PS Bews and DS Jones were able to?