The phone call

[Nicholas]

Caroline with respect why am I going to run with your theory when a forensic scientist with a degree in biochemistry whose first role was as a body fluid analyst contradicts it?

Have you never considered the same regarding your own “theories”?

as you know my opinion is that JB's legal representation at trial and 2002 appeal was woeful to say the least.

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I'm ignoring your unqualified opinion

[Caroline]

 "Putrefaction"?

Yes, that's what I meant - using my phone and it predicts!

Putrefaction - Where the bodies tissues start to breakdown and leak. It doesn't happen a few hours after death. The suggestion that purge is leaking from Sheila's mouth and nose at that stage of death is astounding!

[Caroline]

I'm ignoring your unqualified opinion over the expert evidence:

518. To decide whether we considered that the interests of justice required that we heard Mr Ismail's evidence, we first had regard to the evidence that it was said that he could give. From the blood staining he concluded that following the second and fatal shot Sheila Caffell was lying almost flat on her back with her head propped against a bedside cabinet.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

You're ignoring the laws of gravity and trying to force the words of Ismail to support YOUR theory that the police moved Sheila's head when he didn't sate that at all.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The best evidence of all comes from the pathologist, Vanezis, who carried out the autopsies

He stated that Sheila had Hypostatis (mottling of the skin) which proved Sheila died in the position she was found.

So, except for the police moving Sheila’s hand to take photographs of the blood on her nightdress which was hidden by her hand, Sheila’s body wasn’t moved at all. And why would it have been?

A big fat line should be drawn under that, as it’s been proven she wasn’t moved.

It’s also been proven, again by Vanezis, that the first bullet caused sever haemorrhaging on the right side of her neck, with the bullet finishing at the main part of her spine causing fractures.

Vanezis stated: “Sheila did not get up after that first shot”

Besides her severe injuries, including severe haemorrhaging (which can be seen in the build up in her neck), there was NO blood down the front of her nightdress — which means she couldn’t have walked around.

It’s very simple to understand...

It’s also very simple to understand that as the first bullet didn’t kill her immediately, Bamber shot her a second time.

Regarding Nevill, Vanezis stated that Nevill was definitely shot four times UPSTAIRS. Every single piece of evidence PROVES that.

The shots he received upstairs went into his lip, severing it, through his jawbone, fracturing it, then shattered his teeth, larynx and main gland in his neck.

Vanezis said Nevill would not have been able to talk. It would have even been difficult for him to cough the blood from his throat.

And here’s people actually believing Jeremy’s claim that Nevill walked downstairs, looked through a telephone directory (which wasn’t there), rang the police 20 miles away, and rang Jeremy too

FGS...this is absolutely insane!

Oh, just to add, when the police officers eventually left WHF, two officers were tasked with the duty of securing the house. They discovered that BOTH the kitchen window AND the ground floor bathroom window were both unsecured and had their latches in the unlocked position. This was reported and logged to the investigation team, who seemingly took little note of it.

That man, Jeremy Bamber is guilty as sin, and anyone who refutes that by coming out with pathetic, ridiculous arguments that carry no weight or evidence, are either incredibly shortsighted or have some other agenda — because I don’t believe anyone could be so dim-witted to think Jeremy didn’t kill his family, when all the overwhelming evidence proves he did.

[G-Unit]

The best evidence of all comes from the pathologist, Vanezis, who carried out the autopsies

He stated that Sheila had Hypostatis (mottling of the skin) which proved Sheila died in the position she was found.

So, except for the police moving Sheila’s hand to take photographs of the blood on her nightdress which was hidden by her hand, Sheila’s body wasn’t moved at all. And why would it have been?

A big fat line should be drawn under that, as it’s been proven she wasn’t moved.

It’s also been proven, again by Vanezis, that the first bullet caused sever haemorrhaging on the right side of her neck, with the bullet finishing at the main part of her spine causing fractures.

Vanezis stated: “Sheila did not get up after that first shot”

Besides her severe injuries, including severe haemorrhaging (which can be seen in the build up in her neck), there was NO blood down the front of her nightdress — which means she couldn’t have walked around.

It’s very simple to understand...

It’s also very simple to understand that as the first bullet didn’t kill her immediately, Bamber shot her a second time.

Regarding Nevill, Vanezis stated that Nevill was definitely shot four times UPSTAIRS. Every single piece of evidence PROVES that.

The shots he received upstairs went into his lip, severing it, through his jawbone, fracturing it, then shattered his teeth, larynx and main gland in his neck.

Vanezis said Nevill would not have been able to talk. It would have even been difficult for him to cough the blood from his throat.

And here’s people actually believing Jeremy’s claim that Nevill walked downstairs, looked through a telephone directory (which wasn’t there), rang the police 20 miles away, and rang Jeremy too

FGS...this is absolutely insane!

Oh, just to add, when the police officers eventually left WHF, two officers were tasked with the duty of securing the house. They discovered that BOTH the kitchen window AND the ground floor bathroom window were both unsecured and had their latches in the unlocked position. This was reported and logged to the investigation team, who seemingly took little note of it.

That man, Jeremy Bamber is guilty as sin, and anyone who refutes that by coming out with pathetic, ridiculous arguments that carry no weight or evidence, are either incredibly shortsighted or have some other agenda — because I don’t believe anyone could be so dim-witted to think Jeremy didn’t kill his family, when all the overwhelming evidence proves he did.

What evidence is there to show that Nevill Bamber didn't use the telephone before any shots were fired at him?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

What evidence is there to show that Nevill Bamber didn't use the telephone before any shots were fired at him?

I wasn’t going to reply to you at first: I’ve explained everything as simply as I can in the post you’re replying to

The telephone had been removed from the master bedroom — understand?

Nevill’s blood including the bullet casings were found in his bedroom: thus, he MUST have been shot in his bedroom

That means, please read carefully, that means that as the bullets rendered him unable to TALK, he wasn’t able to SPEAK once he’d got down to the kitchen

What don’t you understand about that?

[G-Unit]

I wasn’t going to reply to you at first: I’ve explained everything as simply as I can in the post you’re replying to

The telephone had been removed from the master bedroom — understand?

Nevill’s blood including the bullet casings were found in his bedroom: thus, he MUST have been shot in his bedroom

That means, please read carefully, that means that as the bullets rendered him unable to TALK, he wasn’t able to SPEAK once he’d got down to the kitchen

What don’t you understand about that?

Why do you assume he was shot prior to being in the kitchen?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Why do you assume he was shot prior to being in the kitchen?

I just explained it to you!

You can’t grasp it can you?

[G-Unit]

I just explained it to you!

You can’t grasp it can you?

I understand exactly what you're saying, and I'm saying you can't prove you're right.

Who moved the telephone from the bedroom to the kitchen? Why and when was it done?
Where is the evidence that Nevill was shot four times before he went down to the kitchen?

[steve_trousers]

G unit, it was done several days before the murder but nobody knows exactly when or prove it was Jeremy. Here is an article regarding the phone switch, you need to ignore the first few paragraphs of flannel https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1387438/I-wrong-Jeremy-Bamber-says-crime-writer.html

[Caroline]

I wasn’t going to reply to you at first: I’ve explained everything as simply as I can in the post you’re replying to

The telephone had been removed from the master bedroom — understand?

Nevill’s blood including the bullet casings were found in his bedroom: thus, he MUST have been shot in his bedroom

That means, please read carefully, that means that as the bullets rendered him unable to TALK, he wasn’t able to SPEAK once he’d got down to the kitchen

What don’t you understand about that?

Nevill's blood wasn't found in the bedroom, just the casings (one on the stairs), his blood was found on the staircase wall.

[G-Unit]

G unit, it was done several days before the murder but nobody knows exactly when or prove it was Jeremy. Here is an article regarding the phone switch, you need to ignore the first few paragraphs of flannel https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1387438/I-wrong-Jeremy-Bamber-says-crime-writer.html

Thank you. I can see speculation but no underlying evidence in that article.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I understand exactly what you're saying, and I'm saying you can't prove you're right.

Who moved the telephone from the bedroom to the kitchen? Why and when was it done?
Where is the evidence that Nevill was shot four times before he went down to the kitchen?

You still haven’t grasped the facts

It isn’t me who’s proving I’m right: I’m quoting the pathologist who proved Nevill was first shot in the bedroom. And unlike you and me, he’d know. As did the forensic team and ballistic experts.

To explain is to you in simple terms, when pathologists carry out autopsies they can determine when/how a person was killed

The pathologist knew for certain that the first four shots Nevill received didn’t kill him. One reason for that was his blood circulation was still working (dead people have no circulation), so therefore, Nevill’s blood in the bedroom that trailed down to the kitchen where he eventually died after being shot in the head, meant he must have first been shot in the bedroom — and the bullet casings were found there too

It’s very simple


As for the telephone, usually the ivory phone was in the master bedroom, but as the kitchen phone had been taken away for repairs (which I suspect was engineered by JB), the ivory phone was put into the kitchen as that’s where the family congregated. The usual kitchen phone was collected for repairs just a day or so prior to Jeremy killing his family, so one can assume Nevill himself transferred the bedroom phone into the kitchen as a temporary measure; but it’s irrelevant when it was put there — so I’m not sure why you’re asking

I strongly suspect, though, that Jeremy damaged the kitchen phone to make sure Nevill would bring down the ivory phone — rendering both Nevill and June helpless in dialling 999 if they heard noises downstairs when he climbed through the window

He put a lot of planning into those murders

He even asked Sheila just weeks before when she’d be bringing the twins down to stay: something he’d never, ever asked before in his life

It was all premeditated

 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

G unit, it was done several days before the murder but nobody knows exactly when or prove it was Jeremy. Here is an article regarding the phone switch, you need to ignore the first few paragraphs of flannel https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1387438/I-wrong-Jeremy-Bamber-says-crime-writer.html

Oh, that’s interesting

I haven’t seen that article before

That’s even more damning for JB

There’s definitely something amiss with the “broken phone” which was collected — was that person ever interviewed and asked what the problem with the phone was? They seldom go wrong...unless they’ve been smashed...

And the fact the kitchen phone was hidden under papers — and was in perfect working order — further sheds light on what Jeremy did

It also blows out the water Jeremy’s ludicrous claim that Sheila had gone into a psychotic frenzy: you have to be thinking clearly when trying to pin something so horrendous on someone else, and anyone in a psychosis can’t possibly do that — think to hide phones, unplug them, move them etc...nor would it occur or matter to them

The more that comes out the more it proves how Jeremy Bamber is a cold-blooded murderer

[G-Unit]

You still haven’t grasped the facts

It isn’t me who’s proving I’m right: I’m quoting the pathologist who proved Nevill was first shot in the bedroom. And unlike you and me, he’d know. As did the forensic team and ballistic experts.

To explain is to you in simple terms, when pathologists carry out autopsies they can determine when/how a person was killed

The pathologist knew for certain that the first four shots Nevill received didn’t kill him. One reason for that was his blood circulation was still working (dead people have no circulation), so therefore, Nevill’s blood in the bedroom that trailed down to the kitchen where he eventually died after being shot in the head, meant he must have first been shot in the bedroom — and the bullet casings were found there too

It’s very simple


As for the telephone, usually the ivory phone was in the master bedroom, but as the kitchen phone had been taken away for repairs (which I suspect was engineered by JB), the ivory phone was put into the kitchen as that’s where the family congregated. The usual kitchen phone was collected for repairs just a day or so prior to Jeremy killing his family, so one can assume Nevill himself transferred the bedroom phone into the kitchen as a temporary measure; but it’s irrelevant when it was put there — so I’m not sure why you’re asking

I strongly suspect, though, that Jeremy damaged the kitchen phone to make sure Nevill would bring down the ivory phone — rendering both Nevill and June helpless in dialling 999 if they heard noises downstairs when he climbed through the window

He put a lot of planning into those murders

He even asked Sheila just weeks before when she’d be bringing the twins down to stay: something he’d never, ever asked before in his life

It was all premeditated

I have never argued that Nevill wasn't shot in the bedroom. He obviously was because of the shell cases and it was obviously before the shots in the kitchen because they killed him. What I am suggesting is that he could have been in the kitchen using the phone before he was in the bedroom being shot. Can you prove that he wasn't?