The phone call

[Caroline]

Were they examined?

No idea but don't let that be used as an excuse to say they weren't.

[APRIL]

No evidence has been offered to explain why the phone call couldn't have happened. All that has been offered is speculation. Anyone can speculate so I decided to demonstrate that I can do it too.

But there's speculation and speculation, ie that which only works when taken out of context with known facts, and that which, taking the known facts into consideration, is probable

[G-Unit]

Jeremy believes Nevill phoned him after Nevill had been shot 4 times.

This was the defence stance at trial. I have never read any other suggestion from the CT.

Do you have a link to this evidence please?

[G-Unit]

But there's speculation and speculation, ie that which only works when taken out of context with known facts, and that which, taking the known facts into consideration, is probable

So which known facts uphold the speculations about what Nevill Bamber thought and did, and which don't uphold my speculations?

[adam]

Do you have a link to this evidence please?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10200.msg478128.html#msg478128

[APRIL]

So which known facts uphold the speculations about what Nevill Bamber thought and did, and which don't uphold my speculations?

Those which made sense, ie those which helped convict Jeremy, when balanced against those which didn't.

[adam]

Both the defence and prosecution have to go by the known facts and claimed facts -

Nevill called Jeremy. Claimed fact.

Nevill said 'please come over. Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'. Claimed fact.

The phone went dead. Claimed fact.

Nevill was still alive after being shot 4 times upstairs. He went downstairs. Fact.

A phone in the kitchen was off the hook. Fact.

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Going by the claimed and agreed facts, Nevill could only have called Jeremy after receiving his 4 upstairs shots 

Nevill letting Sheila go upstairs with the rifle or Sheila locking herself in a shower room do not match the claimed or agreed facts.

[G-Unit]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10200.msg478128.html#msg478128

That's a link to a post made by you, I assume. Where is the original evidence you claim to be quoting?

[adam]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html&ved=2ahUKEwi-zo2knIvoAhVSt3EKHSahBaIQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3_he1NUdt-LIv3JGVUZ6T9

[G-Unit]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html&ved=2ahUKEwi-zo2knIvoAhVSt3EKHSahBaIQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3_he1NUdt-LIv3JGVUZ6T9

I'm really sorry, but that's a very long document. Would it be possible to copy and paste the passage where the defence says "Jeremy believes Nevill phoned him after Nevill had been shot 4 times." as per your original post?

[adam]

I'm really sorry, but that's a very long document. Would it be possible to copy and paste the passage where the defence says "Jeremy believes Nevill phoned him after Nevill had been shot 4 times." as per your original post?

I have already posted it in reply 634.

The defence had the chance to counter the prosecution and say Nevill could have phoned Jeremy before being shot. But didn't.

I have never read the CT suggest Nevill may have phoned Jeremy prior to being shot.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Do you know whether the slippers in Sheila's room were examined?

Of course they would have been

How can you think otherwise?!

It was NOTED there was no blood, sugar or glass on her feet, so do you seriously think they wouldn’t have checked all her footwear?

Really?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I do wish people wouldn't speculate as to what Nevill would or wouldn''t do. It is also possible that Sheila was threatening suicide and had locked herself into the downstairs shower room with the gun, is it not? If Nevill was unable to get her to come out he may well have decided to phone for help. Upon which she emerged and went upstairs. Now we have a possible reason why the phone was left off the hook as Nevill heard her and set off in pursuit.

You have a weird imagination

That scenario you’re trying to suggest is almost as stupid as when Jeremy suggested Crispy shot Sheila the second time!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Do you know whether the slippers in Sheila's room were examined?

Look, you obviously haven’t read much of the case and all the facts

Stop harping in trying to make out Sheila wore slippers

The police weren’t THAT thick!

They searched the whole house and found NO clothes with Sheilas blood on, and NO footwear with blood on

Give up, it’s tedious

[G-Unit]

You have a weird imagination

That scenario you’re trying to suggest is almost as stupid as when Jeremy suggested Crispy shot Sheila the second time!

There's no call to be insulting. Sheila Caffell was a very disturbed and emotionally unstable woman. Her efforts to be independent had failed miserably and now her mother wanted her to enter some sort of home in Bournemouth. That's a fout hour drive from her parents and a two hour drive from her children. It certainly isn't stupid to suggest that she had some type of breakdown that night. Her future wasn't looking bright.