The phone call

[Holly Goodhead]

Actually, Dr Vanezis did indeed ask the police to bring in a ballistics expert when carrying out the PM’s, but the police were either unable or unwilling to do that...

Dr Vanezis would not have committed himself to anything he didn't feel competent in.

With regard to your assertion above, you're wrong.  DI Cooke telephoned FSS and was told a ballistics expert couldn't be spared.

[adam]

"Mrs Neva Temple, who lives next door said Sheila once woke her at 5am with hysterical screams.  'She was shouting loudly and I went to help.  She seemed very distraught."

http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/p/gambling-man-in-life-of-massacre-model.html?m=0

At what point do you believe Nevill phoned Jeremy?

[Holly Goodhead]

At what point do you believe Nevill phoned Jeremy?

Before any shots were fired.

There's no question all the physical evidence at soc supports NB in the kitchen on the tel to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June in bed.  NB hearing the shots drops the phone and goes upstairs where he sustains the facial shots on the landing stairs and the shots to his rear on the main stairs after he turned to retreat back downstairs.

It will never be known what preceded this.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Before any shots were fired.

There's no question all the physical evidence at soc supports NB in the kitchen on the tel to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June in bed.  NB hearing the shots drops the phone and goes upstairs where he sustains the facial shots on the landing stairs and the shots to his rear on the main stairs after he turned to retreat back downstairs.

It will never be known what preceded this.

How did he end up downstairs then?  Explain the scenario to us:  Nevill wakes up to find Sheila waving a gun about but not having shot anyone and then what?

[Holly Goodhead]

To be more precise, Sheila still had a moderate dose of Haloperidol still left in her system when she died. The drug is slow release and builds up in the system. It doesn't just wear off prior to the next dose being administered.

To be even more precise as per the toxicology reports:

Liver = 0.55 micrograms per gram
Blood = 15 nanograms per millilitre

The above levels put the dosage just above low into medium.

[Angelo222]

Before any shots were fired.

There's no question all the physical evidence at soc supports NB in the kitchen on the tel to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June in bed.  NB hearing the shots drops the phone and goes upstairs where he sustains the facial shots on the landing stairs and the shots to his rear on the main stairs after he turned to retreat back downstairs.

It will never be known what preceded this.

What evidence are you on about?  Jeremy Bamber never reported hearing any shots so your contention is simply rubbish.

There isn't a single scrap of evidence which places Nevill anywhere near the kitchen phone.

[Holly Goodhead]

To be even more precise as per the toxicology reports:

Liver = 0.55 micrograms per gram
Blood = 15 nanograms per millilitre

The above levels put the dosage just above low into medium.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=207.0;attach=750

[Holly Goodhead]

What evidence are you on about?  Jeremy Bamber never reported hearing any shots so your contention is simply rubbish.

There isn't a single scrap of evidence which places Nevill anywhere near the kitchen phone.

JB would not have heard the sound of gunshot fired in the bedroom down the phone line situated in the kitchen.

The physical evidence at soc all supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main stairs.  None of the evidence supports him shot in the bedroom.  This in itself supports the defence case of NB calling JB from the kitchen, hearing gunshot, dropping the phone and going upstairs where he was shot standing on the landing stairs with SC shooting out of the bedroom onto the landing.

To date a shooting reconstruction hasn't taken place but all the data relating to the physical evidence is available for this to happen.

Anyone can argue the points with me just so long as they realise no expert evidence exists so its one lay view against another.

[Caroline]

Before any shots were fired.

There's no question all the physical evidence at soc supports NB in the kitchen on the tel to JB with SC upstairs opening fire on June in bed.  NB hearing the shots drops the phone and goes upstairs where he sustains the facial shots on the landing stairs and the shots to his rear on the main stairs after he turned to retreat back downstairs.

It will never be known what preceded this.

No it doesn’t.

[Angelo222]

JB would not have heard the sound of gunshot fired in the bedroom down the phone line situated in the kitchen.

The physical evidence at soc all supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main stairs.  None of the evidence supports him shot in the bedroom.  This in itself supports the defence case of NB calling JB from the kitchen, hearing gunshot, dropping the phone and going upstairs where he was shot standing on the landing stairs with SC shooting out of the bedroom onto the landing.

To date a shooting reconstruction hasn't taken place but all the data relating to the physical evidence is available for this to happen.

Anyone can argue the points with me just so long as they realise no expert evidence exists so its one lay view against another.

Are you for real?  All the empty shell casings bar two found in the master bedroom relate to Nevill and June so your claim is pure nonsense. Your claim of someone shooting out of the bedroom is also nonsense given all the casings were found on and around the bed. Shell casings are ejected from the right side of Anschutz rifle proving that the shooter was just inside the bedroom door shooting into the bedroom.

I have no intention of arguing any aspects with you Holly as you are plainly wrong.

[Caroline]

JB would not have heard the sound of gunshot fired in the bedroom down the phone line situated in the kitchen.

The physical evidence at soc all supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main stairs.  None of the evidence supports him shot in the bedroom.  This in itself supports the defence case of NB calling JB from the kitchen, hearing gunshot, dropping the phone and going upstairs where he was shot standing on the landing stairs with SC shooting out of the bedroom onto the landing.

To date a shooting reconstruction hasn't taken place but all the data relating to the physical evidence is available for this to happen.

Anyone can argue the points with me just so long as they realise no expert evidence exists so its one lay view against another.

And any reconstruction would be one expert opinion over another and any reconstruction would be a best guess.

[Holly Goodhead]

How did he end up downstairs then?  Explain the scenario to us:  Nevill wakes up to find Sheila waving a gun about but not having shot anyone and then what?

We are told by JB he received a phone call from NB:

"Sheila's gone crazy she's got the gun".

We could all speculate about exactly what was or wasn't going on.  All that can ever be determined is what the physical evidence supports: blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories of shots and wound tracks.  When all these pieces are carefully fitted together they complete a picture or video on par with cctv.

The above clearly shows NB sustained his facial gunshot wounds when he was stood on the landing stairs and the perp was inside the bedroom shooting out onto the landing.  NB then turned to retreat downstairs and when he was on the main staircase he sustained the two gunshot wounds to his rear.

It is not something you can arrive at overnight.  You need to work through the pathology reports, blood stain evidence, casing evidence, ballistics evidence re distance of shots, layout of the farmhouse.

[Holly Goodhead]

And any reconstruction would be one expert opinion over another and any reconstruction would be a best guess.

No.  This is not a case which involves a single gunshot or even 2 or 3 but 26.  A mountain of untapped physical data exists which overwhelmingly supports the defence case.

[Angelo222]

We are told by JB he received a phone call from NB:

"Sheila's gone crazy she's got the gun".

We could all speculate about exactly what or wasn't going on.  All that can ever be determined is what the physical evidence supports: blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories of shots and wound tracks.  When all these pieces are carefully fitted together they complete a picture or video on par with cctv.

The above clearly shows NB sustained his facial gunshot wounds when he was stood on the landing stairs and the perp was inside the bedroom shooting out onto the landing.  NB then turned to retreat downstairs and when he was on the main staircase he sustained the two gunshot wounds to his rear.

It is not something you can arrive at overnight.  You need to work through the pathology reports, blood stain evidence, casing evidence, ballistics evidence re distance of shots, layout of the farmhouse.

No it doesn't, no evidence can prove where Nevill got his wounds. We can however take the actual evidence and work out a logical process but I'm afraid your views of Bamber have tainted your reasoning.

[Angelo222]

No.  This is not a case which involves a single gunshot or even 2 or 3 but 26.  A mountain of untapped physical data exists which overwhelmingly supports the defence case.

In your dreams.