The phone call

[Holly Goodhead]

Where did the two casings attributed to the last shots to June come to rest?  They can't have passed through a solid bedroom door to land on the floor at June's bedside!  You seem to avoid answering that question, perhaps because it doesn't fit in with your highly implausible idea that Nevill was dawding on the phone whilst allowing his daughter to cause mayhem upstairs.  If anyone in authority responsible for reconsidering Bamber's guilt reads your suggestions, they'll laugh them out the door, just as they will with his campaign team's kitchen window-latch photo trickery and Sheila's alleged 'suicide' note.

The casings are one aspect of the physical evidence.  I have always said the totality of the physical evidence supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main staircase as opposed to within the bedroom.  We know from research that casings are only an indicator due to the fact they ricochet, roll, get kicked around etc.

The pathological evidence is clear either of the headshots June sustained immobilised her immediately but you seem to be assuming she sustained them in the exact same position she is in on soc images whereas it's possible she was stood, or even crawling, around the bottom of the bed facing out onto the landing and the perp seeing/hearing June inflicted the headshots and June then ended up in the position as per soc images.

I will go take a look at the wound tracks again.

[G-Unit]

The casings are one aspect of the physical evidence.  I have always said the totality of the physical evidence supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main staircase as opposed to within the bedroom.  We know from research that casings are only an indicator due to the fact they ricochet, roll, get kicked around etc.

The pathological evidence is clear either of the headshots June sustained immobilised her immediately but you seem to be assuming she sustained them in the exact same position she is in on soc images whereas it's possible she was stood, or even crawling, around the bottom of the bed facing out onto the landing and the perp seeing/hearing June inflicted the headshots and June then ended up in the position as per soc images.

I will go take a look at the wound tracks again.

I wonder why June didn't go for the other door?

[Myster]

The casings are one aspect of the physical evidence.  I have always said the totality of the physical evidence supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main staircase as opposed to within the bedroom.  We know from research that casings are only an indicator due to the fact they ricochet, roll, get kicked around etc.

The pathological evidence is clear either of the headshots June sustained immobilised her immediately but you seem to be assuming she sustained them in the exact same position she is in on soc images whereas it's possible she was stood, or even crawling, around the bottom of the bed facing out onto the landing and the perp seeing/hearing June inflicted the headshots and June then ended up in the position as per soc images.

I will go take a look at the wound tracks again.

Or in other words, a ballistic reconstruction of your Nevill on the landing/stairs theory will prove absolutely nothing about where the shots were fired from or where the casings came to rest.

[Caroline]

The casings are one aspect of the physical evidence.  I have always said the totality of the physical evidence supports NB shot on the landing stairs and main staircase as opposed to within the bedroom.  We know from research that casings are only an indicator due to the fact they ricochet, roll, get kicked around etc.

The pathological evidence is clear either of the headshots June sustained immobilised her immediately but you seem to be assuming she sustained them in the exact same position she is in on soc images whereas it's possible she was stood, or even crawling, around the bottom of the bed facing out onto the landing and the perp seeing/hearing June inflicted the headshots and June then ended up in the position as per soc images.

I will go take a look at the wound tracks again.

And give another unqualified opinion?

[Caroline]

Or in other words, a ballistic reconstruction of your Nevill on the landing/stairs theory will prove absolutely nothing about where the shots were fired from or where the casings came to rest.

It's all bravado from that IA board.

[Vertigo Swirl]

At what point does Sheila re-load the gun and what is Nevill doing while she does this?

[Caroline]

At what point does Sheila re-load the gun and what is Nevill doing while she does this?

Wondering when the twins were shot too. I'm pretty sure they died first given that they didn't wake.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Wondering when the twins were shot too. I'm pretty sure they died first given that they didn't wake.

I think they were shot last.  A silencer was used, and kids tend to sleep through noise you wouldn’t expect them to anyway, plus if it’s true their mum was prone to attacks of hysterics they had probably learned to keep out of the way by then and stayed n their beds. 

[Caroline]

I think they were shot last.  A silencer was used, and kids tend to sleep through noise you wouldn’t expect them to anyway, plus if it’s true their mum was prone to attacks of hysterics they had probably learned to keep out of the way by then and stayed n their beds.

There would have been a hell of a commotion and the way they were found indicated that hadn't woken. I doubt Bamber would have had the guts to kill them if they were awake and looking him straight in the eye. He couldn't chance that they would wake up.

Found this though - interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7SFWHLi9cc

[Vertigo Swirl]

There would have been a hell of a commotion and the way they were found indicated that hadn't woken. I doubt Bamber would have had the guts to kill them if they were awake and looking him straight in the eye. He couldn't chance that they would wake up.

Found this though - interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7SFWHLi9cc

My reasoning was that he may have used the fact that they were still alive to force Sheila to lie down so that he could stage her suicide, telling her that she must do as he says or he will kill the boys.  Once he has killed her he leaves the worst job to last.  IMO.

[Caroline]

My reasoning was that he may have used the fact that they were still alive to force Sheila to lie down so that he could stage her suicide, telling her that sue must do as he says or he will kill the boys.  Once he has killed her he leaves the worst job to last.  IMO.

Of course that could have been the case but personally I think she lay down of her own accord, finding out the boy were dead, she's have nothing to live for and be so distraught I doubt she would have had much resistance.

On a side note, I have found this vid. Knowing nothing about guns, I was happy to accept that a suppressor wouldn't make much difference to the noise value of the shots. This video proves otherwise!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFvXRviPODc

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course that could have been the case but personally I think she lay down of her own accord, finding out the boy were dead, she's have nothing to live for and be so distraught I doubt she would have had much resistance.

On a side note, I have found this vid. Knowing nothing about guns, I was happy to accept that a suppressor wouldn't make much difference to the noise value of the shots. This video proves otherwise!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFvXRviPODc

It certainly does. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

In my view Bamber shot his parents first, injuring both, Nevill chased Jeremy or was chased by Jeremy downstairs where a violent struggle ensued in which Nevill was killed.  Bamber reloaded, went back upstairs to find Sheila in his parents room, finished off his mother and then got Sheila to lie down and killed her.  Reloaded again, then killed the boys.  As a newbie to the case I fully expect to be told this can’t possibly be right..  PS I think it is significant that there were two shots to Sheila and 8 to the boys, making 10, ie a fully loaded gun’s worth, and this lends weight to my theory.

[barrier]

Wondering when the twins were shot too. I'm pretty sure they died first given that they didn't wake.

The silencer being used would not arouse any suspicion until Bamber started on Nevill.

[Holly Goodhead]

I wonder why June didn't go for the other door?

Afaik the doors between June/NB's bedroom were accessible and free of clutter.  I believe one of the single beds in the twins room half covered the entrance but it was still accessible: entry and exit.

I think June probably walked around the bed intending to use the phone usually kept by NB's side of the bed.  When she realised it was missing she walked back again perhaps intending to use another phone situated in the upstairs office?