The phone call

[Holly Goodhead]

Or in other words, a ballistic reconstruction of your Nevill on the landing/stairs theory will prove absolutely nothing about where the shots were fired from or where the casings came to rest.

You do not know June's position when she sustained the headshots.  The casings are one small part of a reconstruction.

[Holly Goodhead]

It's all bravado from that IA board.

On what basis do you believe a reconstruction isn't possible?

[Holly Goodhead]

At what point does Sheila re-load the gun and what is Nevill doing while she does this?

The pathologist states when NB sustained his downstairs gsw's he thinks NB was immobilised due to the fact there was no deflection.

The 4 gsw's NB sustained upstairs would have killed him had the downstairs shots not supervened.  By the time NB arrived in the kitchen he was near dead so time was not of the essence for a reload.

[adam]

Afaik the doors between June/NB's bedroom were accessible and free of clutter.  I believe one of the single beds in the twins room half covered the entrance but it was still accessible: entry and exit.

I think June probably walked around the bed intending to use the phone usually kept by NB's side of the bed.  When she realised it was missing she walked back again perhaps intending to use another phone situated in the upstairs office?

This would mean the bedroom phone was in the bedroom. She would notice whether a phone was by her bed or not. She slept there.

Bamber put it downstairs in the kitchen as part of the staging.

[Holly Goodhead]

Wondering when the twins were shot too. I'm pretty sure they died first given that they didn't wake.

We have both studied psychology at degree level?  You might recall the sleep part of the syllabus where we all go through different stages in a sleep cycle with stages 3 and 4 difficult to wake from?

[Holly Goodhead]

I think they were shot last.  A silencer was used, and kids tend to sleep through noise you wouldn’t expect them to anyway, plus if it’s true their mum was prone to attacks of hysterics they had probably learned to keep out of the way by then and stayed n their beds.

What evidence do you have that the silencer was used?

[adam]

What evidence do you have that the silencer was used?

Sheila's blood and the aga paint on it.

[Holly Goodhead]

There would have been a hell of a commotion and the way they were found indicated that hadn't woken. I doubt Bamber would have had the guts to kill them if they were awake and looking him straight in the eye. He couldn't chance that they would wake up.

Found this though - interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7SFWHLi9cc

So JB would risk discharging the rifle 8 times before taking on his greatest adversary?

[Holly Goodhead]

Of course that could have been the case but personally I think she lay down of her own accord, finding out the boy were dead, she's have nothing to live for and be so distraught I doubt she would have had much resistance.

On a side note, I have found this vid. Knowing nothing about guns, I was happy to accept that a suppressor wouldn't make much difference to the noise value of the shots. This video proves otherwise!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFvXRviPODc

The farmhouse: bricks and mortar along with all the fixtures, fittings, furniture and soft furnishings totally change the acoustics.

[Holly Goodhead]

It certainly does.

No it doesn't.  You can't compare the sound of a firearm discharged outdoors with one discharged indoors with all the normal home comforts eg carpets, curtains etc as it totally changes the acoustics.

[Holly Goodhead]

In my view Bamber shot his parents first, injuring both, Nevill chased Jeremy or was chased by Jeremy downstairs where a violent struggle ensued in which Nevill was killed.  Bamber reloaded, went back upstairs to find Sheila in his parents room, finished off his mother and then got Sheila to lie down and killed her.  Reloaded again, then killed the boys.  As a newbie to the case I fully expect to be told this can’t possibly be right..  PS I think it is significant that there were two shots to Sheila and 8 to the boys, making 10, ie a fully loaded gun’s worth, and this lends weight to my theory.

The rifle and mag were capable of taking a total of 11 cartridges.  JB would have gone tooled up.

[Holly Goodhead]

Sheila's blood and the aga paint on it.

We are told human blood was found in the silencer although no photographic evidence exists to support this claim.

We are also told the blood found in the silencer matched SC's blood groups but this is not the same as SC's blood.
At the time 8% of the white British population shared SC's blood groups. This was pre DNA testing.

Post DNA testing (using LCN) did not reveal SC's DNA in the silencer

I am working with others on two tests to undermine the blood in the silencer.  If these go the way anticipated it will show the silencer was fabricated and the scratches will die with it.

[adam]

So JB would risk discharging the rifle 8 times before taking on his greatest adversary?

Julie said Bamber told her he shot the twins first. This would have been 1 shot each.

He may have planned to fire 8 shots in the main bedroom. Leaving 1 bullet for Sheila. Nevill rising resulted in two unplanned torso shots & an empty rifle.

[adam]

We are told human blood was found in the silencer although no photographic evidence exists to support this claim.

We are also told the blood found in the silencer matched SC's blood groups but this is not the same as SC's blood.
At the time 8% of the white British population shared SC's blood groups. This was pre DNA testing.

Post DNA testing (using LCN) did not reveal SC's DNA in the silencer

I am working with others on two tests to undermine the blood in the silencer.  If these go the way anticipated it will show the silencer was fabricated and the scratches will die with it.

Do you believe the relatives or police fabricated the silencer. Or was it a team effort?

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you believe the relatives or police fabricated the silencer. Or was it a team effort?

In terms of the the blood flake which underpins JB's conviction, which we are told was found inside the silencer and matched SC's blood groups, I do not believe the relatives or police fabricated.