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Offline adam

Re: The phone call
« Reply #870 on: March 14, 2020, 10:56:55 AM »
In terms of the the blood flake which underpins JB's conviction, which we are told was found inside the silencer and matched SC's blood groups, I do not believe the relatives or police fabricated.

Who did?

Who fabricated the aga paint?

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Re: The phone call
« Reply #871 on: March 14, 2020, 11:59:36 AM »
We have both studied psychology at degree level?  You might recall the sleep part of the syllabus where we all go through different stages in a sleep cycle with stages 3 and 4 difficult to wake from?


Ah, so that's it! Psychology grads are fascinated by the WHF case-----hm !

I'm another one!

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #872 on: March 14, 2020, 12:03:02 PM »
Who did?

FSS

Who fabricated the aga paint?

The officer who was in the thick of it fabricated the scratches, hair and blood on the outside knowing the quantity was so small it would be incapable of yielding any result beyond human in origin.

When it was realised this would be insufficient to secure a conviction FSS stepped up on the basis they were told JB would get away with it and the silencer and JM's testimony showed beyond doubt he was responsible.

The only caveat I would add to the above is the fact PE and CN stayed outside WHF in CN's campervan and may have gone along with the officer in the thick of it. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

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Re: The phone call
« Reply #873 on: March 14, 2020, 12:04:36 PM »

FSS

The officer who was in the thick of it fabricated the scratches, hair and blood on the outside knowing the quantity was so small it would be incapable of yielding any result beyond human in origin.

When it was realised this would be insufficient to secure a conviction FSS stepped up on the basis they were told JB would get away with it and the silencer and JM's testimony showed beyond doubt he was responsible.

The only caveat I would add to the above is the fact PE and CN stayed outside WHF in CN's campervan and may have gone along with the officer in the thick of it.


Who is FSS ??

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #874 on: March 14, 2020, 12:06:34 PM »

Ah, so that's it! Psychology grads are fascinated by the WHF case-----hm !

I'm another one!

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My interest really stems from the adoption angle, June's mental illness 1959 and its likely effect on SC with regards to 'attachment theory'.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline APRIL

Re: The phone call
« Reply #875 on: March 14, 2020, 12:08:19 PM »

Ah, so that's it! Psychology grads are fascinated by the WHF case-----hm !

I'm another one!


As am I, but my interest is in the stories which form the background to this tragedy. It didn't happen in isolation. It could even be generational, but I have NO doubts about adoption being at the heart of it. Naturally, I'm not trying to undermine the importance of forensic evidence.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The phone call
« Reply #876 on: March 14, 2020, 12:10:17 PM »

Who is FSS ??


Forensic Science Service which Parliament acknowledged had quality issues in 1980's @ 3.3.1

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmsctech/writev/forensic/m61.htm
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

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Re: The phone call
« Reply #877 on: March 14, 2020, 12:20:26 PM »


Forensic Science Service which Parliament acknowledged had quality issues in 1980's @ 3.3.1

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmsctech/writev/forensic/m61.htm

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The phone call
« Reply #878 on: March 14, 2020, 04:47:59 PM »
The full context of his statements make clear he is referring to the area in the rear hall by the settle.


They don’t at all

It’s there in black and white, Holly

He first said he left the rifle in the hallway

Then in the next statement he said he’d left it in the kitchen


This s becoming tedious...
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The phone call
« Reply #879 on: March 14, 2020, 04:58:50 PM »
The pathologist makes quite clear SC could have inflicted both wounds.


He RELUCTANTLY said it was POSSIBLE she’d shot herself twice, but that was PRIOR to him knowing the gun wasn’t an automatic; knowing the gun had a silencer on it making it impossible for Sheila to shoot herself even once

Furthermore, since then, Vanezis has said Sheila could not have got up after the first shot as she had a fractured spine where the bullet passed through her throat into her back

It’s so, so easy to understand...I’m amazed anyone at all finds it hard to understand
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The phone call
« Reply #880 on: March 14, 2020, 05:05:23 PM »
If there was anything glaringly obvious he would have said as much to the four officers present during autopsy and/or to the officers present when he visited WHF having undertaken the four autopsies when they sat around a table and had a "candid" discussion.  But he didn't because there was nothing to contradict murder/suicide.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=740

It is obvious SC was moved at soc based on A/PS Woodcock's testimony along with forensic scientist Martyn Ismail's.

It's all to play for because to date the defence has not argued SC was moved by those present at soc and/or that NB sustained his facial shots on the landing stairs.


That’s complete rubbish

When the pathologist went to soc DCI Jones stormed in, hs face purple with rage, and shouted: “What’s  HE doing here?!”

DCI Jones was a disgrace.  He oversaw the investigation in the most inept, unprofessional, shortsighted way imaginable

Some people have even suggested he may have had connections with Jeremy Bamber for the way he tried to protect him

Whatever, the fact is that when the pathologist went to soc, both he and ALL the other police officers agreed it didn’t look like murder/suicide — which it wasn’t

Jeremy Bamber was later charged with murder after all the overwhelming evidence and convicted

He’d where he belongs — locked up forever

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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The phone call
« Reply #881 on: March 14, 2020, 05:15:26 PM »
We are told human blood was found in the silencer although no photographic evidence exists to support this claim.

We are also told the blood found in the silencer matched SC's blood groups but this is not the same as SC's blood.
At the time 8% of the white British population shared SC's blood groups. This was pre DNA testing.

Post DNA testing (using LCN) did not reveal SC's DNA in the silencer

I am working with others on two tests to undermine the blood in the silencer.  If these go the way anticipated it will show the silencer was fabricated and the scratches will die with it.


Actually, when Sheila’s blood from the silencer was tested again the second time, it confirmed even more so that it was hers

This died a death years ago, Holly...why are you wasting your time in something that can’t be refuted?

Everyone knows Jeremy Bamber murdered his family: the evidence was/is overwhelming. Why do you find it so hard to accept?
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Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #882 on: March 14, 2020, 05:21:55 PM »
On what basis do you believe a reconstruction isn't possible?

On what basis do you imagine the CCRC would be compelled to order one?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The phone call
« Reply #883 on: March 14, 2020, 05:24:45 PM »
The pathologist states when NB sustained his downstairs gsw's he thinks NB was immobilised due to the fact there was no deflection.

The 4 gsw's NB sustained upstairs would have killed him had the downstairs shots not supervened.  By the time NB arrived in the kitchen he was near dead so time was not of the essence for a reload.
I thought there was evidence of a violent struggle in the kitchen?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The phone call
« Reply #884 on: March 14, 2020, 05:25:38 PM »
What evidence do you have that the silencer was used?
Blood belonging to a human, thought to be SC  inside the silencer.  What was it doing there?
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