The phone call

[Vertigo Swirl]

The rifle and mag were capable of taking a total of 11 cartridges.  JB would have gone tooled up.

How does that disprove my theory?

[Vertigo Swirl]

No it doesn't.  You can't compare the sound of a firearm discharged outdoors with one discharged indoors with all the normal home comforts eg carpets, curtains etc as it totally changes the acoustics.

What are you saying then?  That a silencer doesn’t work indoors?

[Caroline]

We have both studied psychology at degree level?  You might recall the sleep part of the syllabus where we all go through different stages in a sleep cycle with stages 3 and 4 difficult to wake from?

There is no way of knowing what stage of sleep the twins were in because stages run in a cycle lasting and then begin again. They could have been in any of the 4 stages when the shooting started.

[Vertigo Swirl]

FSS

The officer who was in the thick of it fabricated the scratches, hair and blood on the outside knowing the quantity was so small it would be incapable of yielding any result beyond human in origin.

When it was realised this would be insufficient to secure a conviction FSS stepped up on the basis they were told JB would get away with it and the silencer and JM's testimony showed beyond doubt he was responsible.

The only caveat I would add to the above is the fact PE and CN stayed outside WHF in CN's campervan and may have gone along with the officer in the thick of it.

Ah, there was a conspiracy to fit up Bamber!  Well that’s  a very convenient explanation with zero evidence to support it.

[Caroline]

So JB would risk discharging the rifle 8 times before taking on his greatest adversary?

No, he only needed to shoot the twins once - the rest of the shots could have come later - just to make it look as though a crazy person was responsible.

[Caroline]

No it doesn't.  You can't compare the sound of a firearm discharged outdoors with one discharged indoors with all the normal home comforts eg carpets, curtains etc as it totally changes the acoustics.

It would still affect the sound.

[Caroline]

We are told human blood was found in the silencer although no photographic evidence exists to support this claim.

We are also told the blood found in the silencer matched SC's blood groups but this is not the same as SC's blood.
At the time 8% of the white British population shared SC's blood groups. This was pre DNA testing.

Post DNA testing (using LCN) did not reveal SC's DNA in the silencer

I am working with others on two tests to undermine the blood in the silencer.  If these go the way anticipated it will show the silencer was fabricated and the scratches will die with it.

You have been saying this for ages but you have a big issue in the fact that you would be unable to replicate the murder.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

My interest really stems from the adoption angle, June's mental illness 1959 and its likely effect on SC with regards to 'attachment theory'.

So this would apply to Jeremy too, no?

But in his case he’s a psychopath...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You have been saying this for ages but you have a big issue in the fact that you wouldn't be unable to replicate the murder.

Indeed

Especially as all the victims have been dead 34 years, and many of the police officers who dealt with the case back then are dead too!

You need witnesses for a reconstruction, Holly , and you also need a good reason to have one — and there isn’t ONE

Furthermore, you can create a reconstruction any way you want...it’s only supposition and isn’t accurate

[APRIL]

Indeed

Especially as all the victims have been dead 34 years, and many of the police officers who dealt with the case back then are dead too!

You need witnesses for a reconstruction, Holly , and you also need a good reason to have one — and there isn’t ONE

Furthermore, you can create a reconstruction any way you want...it’s only supposition and isn’t accurate

It's also worth noting that not all experts agree and some change their minds.

[mrswah]

So this would apply to Jeremy too, no?

But in his case he’s a psychopath...

In as far as he was also adopted, yes.

In as far as he was around in 1959, no!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

In as far as he was also adopted, yes.

In as far as he was around in 1959, no!

[/ftp]

But June suffered breakdowns when Jeremy was there, and no-one knows if or when any were hushed up

What is established is that she accidentally dropped him on his head when he was a baby, and research proves that alone can cause psychopathy — but he may have been born with it

[APRIL]

[/ftp]

But June suffered breakdowns when Jeremy was there, and no-one knows if or when any were hushed up

What is established is that she accidentally dropped him on his head when he was a baby, and research proves that alone can cause psychopathy — but he may have been born with it

Nature or nurture? The age old debate.

[mrswah]

[/ftp]

But June suffered breakdowns when Jeremy was there, and no-one knows if or when any were hushed up

What is established is that she accidentally dropped him on his head when he was a baby, and research proves that alone can cause psychopathy — but he may have been born with it

Where is the evidence that Jeremy was dropped on his head as a baby?  I'm not disbelieving you, but just wondered where you saw it, as I haven't.

[Myster]

It was a rumour originating in a David Boutflour witness statement, although he also said that Jeremy's skull might have been damaged by an accidental fall.  Agnes Low, June's close friend, mentioned something similar.