Zampo - The Full Story?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

You say the dog alerts are used as evidence in a court of law... I would say that is a misleading statement and suggest you know that.
I believe Grime has appeared once in court Re the alerts..
I believe they have been oredented once in Scotland as evidence... And later the SCCRC said they.should not have been admitted.  That does not fit your description so my claim that you are trying to mislead is valid.
According to Grime and Harrison and Cassella the alerts are not evidence unless corroborated.  I could go into detail about why they were admitted in the US.... Again in error imo...
They are being challenged again in the Redwine case

OK, you have piqued my interest, you have mentioned the SCCRC report many times so I would like to educate myself about their findings. Did they find the evidence inadmissible or just unreliable ? What criteria did they use to form this opinion? Which cases did they use as leading cases? I have seen the reference to the report on the website dedicated to the innocence of Mr Gilroy but it doesn’t tell me much and I think I need more info than the 25 odd words pasted below.

“They concluded that the evidence given by the dog handler was unreliable. They say that evidence should not have been before the trial court”

Please provide a link to the actual report so I can read it and see if I can come round to your beliefs about dog alert evidence.

Much appreciated.
P.S.  I can reciprocate with a link to the judgement in the 2012 High Court Appeal if you want it. It’s a good read. Point 63 d reaffirms that the cadaver dogs alert evidence helped in the original conviction. Just ask and I will provide it.

[Mr Gray]

That's one way of looking at it, another would be that you have such an entrenched and dogmatic belief that dog alerts are not evidence that you are prepared to ignore and disregard the empirical evidence that exists.

What do you think no evidential reliability or value means. I think it's quite clear in it's meaning.
It's the evidence you think exists that supports your belief

[Icanhandlethetruth]

What do you think no evidential reliability or value means. I think it's quite clear in it's meaning.
It's the evidence you think exists that supports your belief

And yet the empirical evidence exists that dog alerts have been used in courts before.
What a conundrum.

[Mr Gray]

And yet the empirical evidence exists that dog alerts have been used in courts before.
What a conundrum.

No conundrum whatsoever as I've explained ..
Would you like to tell us how many times in the last 50 years these alerts have been used in court in the UK

[Icanhandlethetruth]

No conundrum whatsoever as I've explained ..
Would you like to tell us how many times in the last 50 years these alerts have been used in court in the UK

Well according to your post only once. David Gilroy
Which is wrong. Twice. David Gilroy and Margaret Fleming.
Many more in the USA.
As I have mentioned there only needs to be one instance to confirm.
I only need to see the moon once to know it exists.

[Mr Gray]

Well according to your post only once. David Gilroy
Which is wrong. Twice. David Gilroy and Margaret Fleming.
Many more in the USA.
As I have mentioned there only needs to be one instance to confirm.
I only need to see the moon once to know it exists.

You made a claim that the, whole if the judiciary accepted the alerts, which is clearly rubbish.... Just because they've sneaked under the, radar twice means nothing as you should realise.   Do you remember what Prof Cassella said about them

[Icanhandlethetruth]

You made a claim that the, whole if the judiciary accepted the alerts, which is clearly rubbish.... Just because they've sneaked under the, radar twice means nothing as you should realise.   Do you remember what Prof Cassella said about them

You can’t sneak under the radar with High Court murder cases. Do you realise how much scrutiny is applied before during and after these cases. There already has been a full appeal denied to Gilroy, where the dogs alerts were not even grounds for the appeal. And you still don’t understand what I posted about the judiciary as a whole having no issue with the 2 cases that have ended with safe convictions for the accused.

[Mr Gray]

You can’t sneak under the radar with High Court murder cases. Do you realise how much scrutiny is applied before during and after these cases. There already has been a full appeal denied to Gilroy, where the dogs alerts were not even grounds for the appeal. And you still don’t understand what I posted about the judiciary as a whole having no issue with the 2 cases that have ended with safe convictions for the accused.

Yoy believe what you wish. .your belief is of no importance, whatsoever

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Yoy believe what you wish. .your belief is of no importance, whatsoever

I am just a small cog in a big machine.
That report, any luck?

[Mr Gray]

I am just a small cog in a big machine.
That report, any luck?

You are not even a cog... Do you think it's just me who hasn't been swayed by your arguments... No one has.  On the whole sceptics believe the alerts, are evidence... Supporters don't.  Your posts don't make the slightest difference

[Icanhandlethetruth]

You are not even a cog... Do you think it's just me who hasn't been swayed by your arguments... No one has.  On the whole sceptics believe the alerts, are evidence... Supporters don't.  Your posts don't make the slightest difference

 Er, the report?

[Mr Gray]

Er, the report?

What's the point... I could make a FOi request.... I could email Cassella... Why should I bother... I know the truth.. You and your views, are just not important
You think you're a cog in a big machine... It's laughable

[Icanhandlethetruth]

What's the point... I could make a FOi request.... I could email Cassella... Why should I bother... I know the truth.. You and your views, are just not important

So you have never even seen the report?
And I said a small cog.

[Mr Gray]

So you have never even seen the report?

Read the above post

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Read the above post

I've read it but it doesn't tell me if you have read the report or not.