Maddie cops seek yet more cash

[Brietta]

What a childish condensing post B

Actually I find the content of my post quite sinister.  Pretty much as I find the volume of actions taken to deliberately obstruct the funding of a criminal investigation into a missing child by all means possible.  No problems about public money being spent on hobby horse campaigns, are there?

National Audit Office: Re: Public Spending for Operation Grange
Post by Jill Havern 01.07.19

Dear Ms Havern,
 
Further to my e-mail of 25 July, I am writing to confirm that we have completed our enquiries with the Home Office and I am now able to respond to the questions that you have raised specifically in relation to the administration of special grants for the continued funding of Operation Grange.
....................................................................................
Therefore, the work we have undertaken in response to your correspondence has focused on establishing the facts around the Home Office’s use of Special Grant funding in support of Operation Grange. In doing so, we have also sought to ensure that we do not prejudice the ongoing police investigation.
....................................................................................
In this instance, while the costs of Operation Grange are significantly under 1% of the Metropolitan Police’s budget, Ministers have exercised their discretion to commission this investigation to draw on the specialist skills of the Metropolitan Police’s investigations team.
....................................................................................
You had expressed concern about whether the funding has produced results and is delivering value for money.

  ... in relation to Operation Grange include regular liaison with the Metropolitan Police investigation team to assess progress, challenging the use of funds as necessary and considering what, if any, additional funding may be required. The oversight arrangements have operated effectively and the Home Office team has not identified any instances of funds being misused.
....................................................................................
These oversight arrangements are sufficiently robust, timely and regular to ensure that spending is properly monitored. The Home Office has been able to provide financial reports demonstrating the oversight that they exercise.
....................................................................................
In conclusion, therefore, we are satisfied that the Home Office has used Special Grant funding in support of Operation Grange in accordance with its own guidance and has exercised adequate oversight of related expenditure by the Metropolitan Police. From our review of the funding and governance arrangements as well as our annual audits of the Home Office financial statements, we have not identified any areas of concern in relation to this expenditure.
 
Regards
....................................................................................


Criminals would be utterly delighted to have police budgets abolished.  It would certainly cut their chances of ever being caught and enough evidence of a standard to enable them to be charged and tried ever being collected.

Fine - I understand the motivation of criminals to compromise any investigation of their nefarious pursuits.

What is it that this woman jh has against Madeleine McCann that she and her organisation are committed to attacking the search for her.
Criminals I can understand and have a guess at their self serving reasons.  Those driven by emotions I do not understand particularly if
(a) they have no association with the crime either as victim - relation - witness
(b) their intention is to derail an active police investigation
(c) and they waste a considerable amount of their very being 'researching' and maligning the target of their choosing

I don't find my post either "childish" or "condensing" in the circumstances and context of the thread.  I posted it because it is factual illustration of how some people have chosen to react to money being made available to fund a criminal particular investigation they consider anathema which I consider to be inexplicable.

So instead of following my posts around the threads to throw your one liners at, please consider responding seriously to a seriously written comment if you can.

[Wonderfulspam]

Do you not remember Mark Rowley saying...As for the parents...weve looked at all the informaton and decided they are not involved...not the exact words... thats ruling them out

The parents’ involvement: that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese.

“We’re happy that’s completely dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that’s a line of investigation."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-british-cop-says-madeleine-10295917

[Brietta]

Were the McCanns eliminated from an inquiry? If you are referring to the PJ inquiry the answer is they weren't. As to Operation Grange, they were never included in their inquiry.

When you can demonstrate that your posts are worth a response I will respond.  Till then I recommend you interrogate the ill informed unlinked puerile posts directed at me and try to avoid recourse to the usual sceptic mantras which have been formerly debunked ad nauseam.

Definition of ad nauseam - ADVERB
used to refer to the fact that something has been done or repeated so often that it has become annoying or tiresome:

[Wonderfulspam]

When you can demonstrate that your posts are worth a response I will respond.  Till then I recommend you interrogate the ill informed unlinked puerile posts directed at me and try to avoid recourse to the usual sceptic mantras which have been formerly debunked ad nauseam.

Definition of ad nauseam - ADVERB
used to refer to the fact that something has been done or repeated so often that it has become annoying or tiresome:

I'm sorry? When has the possibility of McCann involvement been debunked?
I certainly haven't seen anyone do that here. I made a thread the other day, titled "How can we be certain the McCanns were not involved?", &, well, no explanations ever came before the thread disappeared. But perhaps you can answer that very question now, for the benefit of readers?

[kizzy]

Actually I find the content of my post quite sinister.  Pretty much as I find the volume of actions taken to deliberately obstruct the funding of a criminal investigation into a missing child by all means possible.  No problems about public money being spent on hobby horse campaigns, are there?

National Audit Office: Re: Public Spending for Operation Grange
Post by Jill Havern 01.07.19

Dear Ms Havern,
 
Further to my e-mail of 25 July, I am writing to confirm that we have completed our enquiries with the Home Office and I am now able to respond to the questions that you have raised specifically in relation to the administration of special grants for the continued funding of Operation Grange.
....................................................................................
Therefore, the work we have undertaken in response to your correspondence has focused on establishing the facts around the Home Office’s use of Special Grant funding in support of Operation Grange. In doing so, we have also sought to ensure that we do not prejudice the ongoing police investigation.
....................................................................................
In this instance, while the costs of Operation Grange are significantly under 1% of the Metropolitan Police’s budget, Ministers have exercised their discretion to commission this investigation to draw on the specialist skills of the Metropolitan Police’s investigations team.
....................................................................................
You had expressed concern about whether the funding has produced results and is delivering value for money.

  ... in relation to Operation Grange include regular liaison with the Metropolitan Police investigation team to assess progress, challenging the use of funds as necessary and considering what, if any, additional funding may be required. The oversight arrangements have operated effectively and the Home Office team has not identified any instances of funds being misused.
....................................................................................
These oversight arrangements are sufficiently robust, timely and regular to ensure that spending is properly monitored. The Home Office has been able to provide financial reports demonstrating the oversight that they exercise.
....................................................................................
In conclusion, therefore, we are satisfied that the Home Office has used Special Grant funding in support of Operation Grange in accordance with its own guidance and has exercised adequate oversight of related expenditure by the Metropolitan Police. From our review of the funding and governance arrangements as well as our annual audits of the Home Office financial statements, we have not identified any areas of concern in relation to this expenditure.
 
Regards
....................................................................................


Criminals would be utterly delighted to have police budgets abolished.  It would certainly cut their chances of ever being caught and enough evidence of a standard to enable them to be charged and tried ever being collected.

Fine - I understand the motivation of criminals to compromise any investigation of their nefarious pursuits.

What is it that this woman jh has against Madeleine McCann that she and her organisation are committed to attacking the search for her.
Criminals I can understand and have a guess at their self serving reasons.  Those driven by emotions I do not understand particularly if
(a) they have no association with the crime either as victim - relation - witness
(b) their intention is to derail an active police investigation
(c) and they waste a considerable amount of their very being 'researching' and maligning the target of their choosing

I don't find my post either "childish" or "condensing" in the circumstances and context of the thread.  I posted it because it is factual illustration of how some people have chosen to react to money being made available to fund a criminal particular investigation they consider anathema which I consider to be inexplicable.

So instead of following my posts around the threads to throw your one liners at, please consider responding seriously to a seriously written comment if you can.

So instead of following my posts around the threads to throw your one liners at, please consider responding seriously to a seriously written comment if you can.

Oh, I certainly can.....but find the one-liners sufficient enough for your posts.

As for Jill Havern ...why don't you tell her what you think of her...instead of posting from the safety of here.

As for the above contents .............tell it to someone who cares.

[Lace]

Actually I find the content of my post quite sinister.  Pretty much as I find the volume of actions taken to deliberately obstruct the funding of a criminal investigation into a missing child by all means possible.  No problems about public money being spent on hobby horse campaigns, are there?

National Audit Office: Re: Public Spending for Operation Grange
Post by Jill Havern 01.07.19

Dear Ms Havern,
 
Further to my e-mail of 25 July, I am writing to confirm that we have completed our enquiries with the Home Office and I am now able to respond to the questions that you have raised specifically in relation to the administration of special grants for the continued funding of Operation Grange.
....................................................................................
Therefore, the work we have undertaken in response to your correspondence has focused on establishing the facts around the Home Office’s use of Special Grant funding in support of Operation Grange. In doing so, we have also sought to ensure that we do not prejudice the ongoing police investigation.
....................................................................................
In this instance, while the costs of Operation Grange are significantly under 1% of the Metropolitan Police’s budget, Ministers have exercised their discretion to commission this investigation to draw on the specialist skills of the Metropolitan Police’s investigations team.
....................................................................................
You had expressed concern about whether the funding has produced results and is delivering value for money.

  ... in relation to Operation Grange include regular liaison with the Metropolitan Police investigation team to assess progress, challenging the use of funds as necessary and considering what, if any, additional funding may be required. The oversight arrangements have operated effectively and the Home Office team has not identified any instances of funds being misused.
....................................................................................
These oversight arrangements are sufficiently robust, timely and regular to ensure that spending is properly monitored. The Home Office has been able to provide financial reports demonstrating the oversight that they exercise.
....................................................................................
In conclusion, therefore, we are satisfied that the Home Office has used Special Grant funding in support of Operation Grange in accordance with its own guidance and has exercised adequate oversight of related expenditure by the Metropolitan Police. From our review of the funding and governance arrangements as well as our annual audits of the Home Office financial statements, we have not identified any areas of concern in relation to this expenditure.
 
Regards
....................................................................................


Criminals would be utterly delighted to have police budgets abolished.  It would certainly cut their chances of ever being caught and enough evidence of a standard to enable them to be charged and tried ever being collected.

Fine - I understand the motivation of criminals to compromise any investigation of their nefarious pursuits.

What is it that this woman jh has against Madeleine McCann that she and her organisation are committed to attacking the search for her.
Criminals I can understand and have a guess at their self serving reasons.  Those driven by emotions I do not understand particularly if
(a) they have no association with the crime either as victim - relation - witness
(b) their intention is to derail an active police investigation
(c) and they waste a considerable amount of their very being 'researching' and maligning the target of their choosing

I don't find my post either "childish" or "condensing" in the circumstances and context of the thread.  I posted it because it is factual illustration of how some people have chosen to react to money being made available to fund a criminal particular investigation they consider anathema which I consider to be inexplicable.

So instead of following my posts around the threads to throw your one liners at, please consider responding seriously to a seriously written comment if you can.

This woman thinks she is important,  she runs a nasty forum dedicated to spewing out vile disgusting comments about the family of a missing child.

They believe enough money has been spent as Madeleine died on the Sunday four days before the date of disappearance.  Their crazy ideas are that the McCann pretended to take Madeleine to the creche all week [there were a lot of blonde haired little girls you see so she wouldn't be missed]   The fact that the Nannies would know who they were supposed to have in their group doesn't matter to them.   They have done an awful lot of 'research' ,  they are very specialised 'Researchers' you can tell that by how many detailed blogs they have written and books etc.  They can prove that Madeleine wasn't seen all week!!   They know she wasn't seen all week as they have gone through all the statements and Police files.  Never mind the members of the public whose children probably spent time with Madeleine.  One who made an appearance on the Netflix documentary,  his daughter was on the boat with Madeleine it also showed Madeleine playing in a group.   Of course that was ridiculed too.  No one really saw her,  the Nannies must have been talking to a lookalike Madeleine. 

They are completely off their heads but think their forum is the creme de creme.   Some of the posts are of a rather dark sort such as comments about the photo of Madeleine dressing up using Kates makeup ' I think she looks dead'. says one 'me too' says another.  Sickening beyond belief.

[Vertigo Swirl]

This woman thinks she is important,  she runs a nasty forum dedicated to spewing out vile disgusting comments about the family of a missing child.

They believe enough money has been spent as Madeleine died on the Sunday four days before the date of disappearance.  Their crazy ideas are that the McCann pretended to take Madeleine to the creche all week [there were a lot of blonde haired little girls you see so she wouldn't be missed]   The fact that the Nannies would know who they were supposed to have in their group doesn't matter to them.   They have done an awful lot of 'research' ,  they are very specialised 'Researchers' you can tell that by how many detailed blogs they have written and books etc.  They can prove that Madeleine wasn't seen all week!!   They know she wasn't seen all week as they have gone through all the statements and Police files.  Never mind the members of the public whose children probably spent time with Madeleine.  One who made an appearance on the Netflix documentary,  his daughter was on the boat with Madeleine it also showed Madeleine playing in a group.   Of course that was ridiculed too.  No one really saw her,  the Nannies must have been talking to a lookalike Madeleine. 

They are completely off their heads but think their forum is the creme de creme.   Some of the posts are of a rather dark sort such as comments about the photo of Madeleine dressing up using Kates makeup ' I think she looks dead'. says one 'me too' says another.  Sickening beyond belief.

It’s about time Netflix did a series about the loons that spew out this crap about the case.   

[kizzy]

This woman thinks she is important,  she runs a nasty forum dedicated to spewing out vile disgusting comments about the family of a missing child.

They believe enough money has been spent as Madeleine died on the Sunday four days before the date of disappearance.  Their crazy ideas are that the McCann pretended to take Madeleine to the creche all week [there were a lot of blonde haired little girls you see so she wouldn't be missed]   The fact that the Nannies would know who they were supposed to have in their group doesn't matter to them.   They have done an awful lot of 'research' ,  they are very specialised 'Researchers' you can tell that by how many detailed blogs they have written and books etc.  They can prove that Madeleine wasn't seen all week!!   They know she wasn't seen all week as they have gone through all the statements and Police files.  Never mind the members of the public whose children probably spent time with Madeleine.  One who made an appearance on the Netflix documentary,  his daughter was on the boat with Madeleine it also showed Madeleine playing in a group.   Of course that was ridiculed too.  No one really saw her,  the Nannies must have been talking to a lookalike Madeleine. 

They are completely off their heads but think their forum is the creme de creme.   Some of the posts are of a rather dark sort such as comments about the photo of Madeleine dressing up using Kates makeup ' I think she looks dead'. says one 'me too' says another.  Sickening beyond belief.

Well, IMO that is more credible than CB abducting Maddie.

[G-Unit]

The parents’ involvement: that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese.

“We’re happy that’s completely dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that’s a line of investigation."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-british-cop-says-madeleine-10295917

"The parent's involvement was dealt with by the Portuguese" It was indeed, but that didn't include ruling them out.

"We're happy that's completely dealt with" As it was dealt with by archiving the case, we can only assume that OG were happy to leave it as the archiving dispatch left it; that the crime and the criminal were unknown.

[Brietta]

Well, IMO that is more credible than CB abducting Maddie.

Let's have a quick look at the underlying circumstances which may have contributed to the reasons for the Home Office continued financing of Madeleine McCanns case.

Madeleine McCann: New evidence 'significant' - Portuguese police
Published
14 June 2020

Portuguese police say the German evidence against the new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case is "significant".

A senior police source also told the BBC they were keen to cooperate in the investigation into the disappearance of the British girl in Portugal in 2007.

The new suspect is a 43-year-old German man, named in reports as Christian B, who is in prison in Germany.

A senior Portuguese police source, who has seen the German evidence against Christian B, has told the BBC it is "very important" and "significant".

The source also rejected criticism that their procedures were slow, amid reports that the German authorities have privately been critical of their Portuguese counterparts.

Another source close to the investigation said Portuguese police accepted that Christian B was now a suspect.

Asked whether they had access to his previous convictions for child sexual offences at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, he said it was important not to judge the past with the benefit of hindsight, and that police systems since then had changed.

He was revealed as the main suspect earlier this month, as German and UK police made a fresh appeal for help.

The convicted paedophile is believed to have been in the area where Madeleine, aged three, was last seen while on holiday in Portugal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53043818

[Wonderfulspam]

"The parent's involvement was dealt with by the Portuguese" It was indeed, but that didn't include ruling them out.

"We're happy that's completely dealt with" As it was dealt with by archiving the case, we can only assume that OG were happy to leave it as the archiving dispatch left it; that the crime and the criminal were unknown.

It's from the same interview where he served up the gem: However she left the apartment, she was abducted, because “She wasn’t old enough to make a decision to set off and start her own life,”.

[Lace]

This woman thinks she is important,  she runs a nasty forum dedicated to spewing out vile disgusting comments about the family of a missing child.

They believe enough money has been spent as Madeleine died on the Sunday four days before the date of disappearance.  Their crazy ideas are that the McCann pretended to take Madeleine to the creche all week [there were a lot of blonde haired little girls you see so she wouldn't be missed]   The fact that the Nannies would know who they were supposed to have in their group doesn't matter to them.   They have done an awful lot of 'research' ,  they are very specialised 'Researchers' you can tell that by how many detailed blogs they have written and books etc.  They can prove that Madeleine wasn't seen all week!!   They know she wasn't seen all week as they have gone through all the statements and Police files.  Never mind the members of the public whose children probably spent time with Madeleine.  One who made an appearance on the Netflix documentary,  his daughter was on the boat with Madeleine it also showed Madeleine playing in a group.   Of course that was ridiculed too.  No one really saw her,  the Nannies must have been talking to a lookalike Madeleine. 

They are completely off their heads but think their forum is the creme de creme.   Some of the posts are of a rather dark sort such as comments about the photo of Madeleine dressing up using Kates makeup ' I think she looks dead'. says one 'me too' says another.  Sickening beyond belief.

I'm not surprised you feel that way.  You'd believe anything never mind how bizarre it is,  as long as the McCann's are not cleared.

You really have shown your true colours.

[Brietta]

"The parent's involvement was dealt with by the Portuguese" It was indeed, but that didn't include ruling them out.

"We're happy that's completely dealt with" As it was dealt with by archiving the case, we can only assume that OG were happy to leave it as the archiving dispatch left it; that the crime and the criminal were unknown.

When dealing with incoming information coming in regarding an active police investigation I would imagine there will be at least one file marked "not relevant to the inquiry" ~ if memory serves me well Ricardo Paiva definitely kept hold of one on which the information it contained, he sat on from 2008 till 2010.

A police investigation is like a living thing.  It moves with the times.  Even in Portugal.


Analysis
By BBC news correspondent Lucy Williamson, in Praia da Luz

When German police - newcomers to the Madeleine McCann investigation - announced they had evidence that indicated the toddler was dead, it seemed to get a cautious response from their Portuguese and British counterparts.

British police stuck to their line that it was a "missing person inquiry", and the impression from Portuguese media was that their own tight-lipped authorities were staying open-minded.

This first-hand confirmation from a senior Portuguese police source that the German evidence is "very important" and "significant" is a sign of how seriously this new development is being taken there.

There's been plenty of mutual recrimination between the British and Portuguese forces in the 13 years since Madeleine McCann vanished from her family's holiday apartment.

Now a third country has entered the quest for answers.

Awkward? Maybe. But the German evidence, it seems, is convincing enough for the Portuguese police to signal their support.

After living for so long under the pressure of unanswered questions, they won't want to be left out of a development that might promise some answers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53043818


There is a very small group of internet sleuths who just cannot bring themselves to absorb anything new.  The above cite very probably explains why Brueckner is an arguido in Portugal;  they have seen the evidence and it is compelling.
The above cite very probably gives an understanding of why the police of Britain - Portugal - Germany who are working the case, have all stated publicly that they are not investigating Kate of Gerry McCann.

Flying in the face of facts attested by real investigators who have all the current evidence to hand, isn't really a good look for amateurs who have absolutely neither evidence or insight to back up their prejudices, which are many.  And in the circumstances of the investigative reality the amateurs have been disastrously wrong from start to finish because the reality is - they know nothing.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well, IMO that is more credible than CB abducting Maddie.

[Wonderfulspam]

Let's have a quick look at the underlying circumstances which may have contributed to the reasons for the Home Office continued financing of Madeleine McCanns case.

Madeleine McCann: New evidence 'significant' - Portuguese police
Published
14 June 2020

Portuguese police say the German evidence against the new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case is "significant".

A senior police source also told the BBC they were keen to cooperate in the investigation into the disappearance of the British girl in Portugal in 2007.

The new suspect is a 43-year-old German man, named in reports as Christian B, who is in prison in Germany.

A senior Portuguese police source, who has seen the German evidence against Christian B, has told the BBC it is "very important" and "significant".

The source also rejected criticism that their procedures were slow, amid reports that the German authorities have privately been critical of their Portuguese counterparts.

Another source close to the investigation said Portuguese police accepted that Christian B was now a suspect.

Asked whether they had access to his previous convictions for child sexual offences at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, he said it was important not to judge the past with the benefit of hindsight, and that police systems since then had changed.

He was revealed as the main suspect earlier this month, as German and UK police made a fresh appeal for help.

The convicted paedophile is believed to have been in the area where Madeleine, aged three, was last seen while on holiday in Portugal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53043818

Anonymous sources. Well, that's convinced me. Thanks for sharing that. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever now that the evidence against Brueckner is utterly compelling. For shame that I ever believed the McCanns were anything other than the innocent parents of an abducted child.