Could Sheila Caffell have defeated Nevill Bamber?

[Holly Goodhead]

That question is purely academic since Nevill was initially shot in the bedroom and he hadn't been injured at that point.  If Sheila had appeared at the bedroom door with a rifle she would have been disarmed instantly.

How could anyone, regardless of background and stature, disarm anyone, regardless of background and stature, in possession of a loaded firearm with the muzzle within inches of their face.  The rifle had a very light trigger pull and a muzzle velocity of 1040 ft/s?

[Holly Goodhead]

How do we know he didn't?

Because NB was found murdered with 7 entry gunshot wounds.

[APRIL]

Because NB was found murdered with 7 entry gunshot wounds.

Does that rule out the attempt -albeit, failed- to disarm Jeremy?

[G-Unit]

How do we know he didn't?

By the lack of evidence of a fight in or near the bedroom?

[Holly Goodhead]

When I was on the Injustice Anywhere forum (US domained) a number of US posters mentioned numerous cases in US where small children shoot dead adults.  Here's one such example:

https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/981696001

[Holly Goodhead]

Does that rule out the attempt -albeit, failed- to disarm Jeremy?

No evidence of any sort of struggle upstairs.  JB did not sustain any sort of visible wounds and others who saw him naked or semi-naked did not say anything to the contrary.

Dr V described NB's wounds as defensive.  Since he lost complete use of his left arm upstairs he probably raised his right arm in the kitchen in an attempt to shield himself from blows from the rifle.

[Caroline]

No evidence of any sort of struggle upstairs. JB did not sustain any sort of visible wounds and others who saw him naked or semi-naked did not say anything to the contrary.

Dr V described NB's wounds as defensive.  Since he lost complete use of his left arm upstairs he probably raised his right arm in the kitchen in an attempt to shield himself from blows from the rifle.

Neither did Sheila.

[Holly Goodhead]

Neither did Sheila.

As would be expected if you believe, like I do, she was in possession of the rifle.

[Caroline]

As would be expected if you believe, like I do, she was in possession of the rifle.

Then it's unlike that Bamber would have had injuries either so the point is moot.

[adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9971.msg455277.html#msg455277

The kitchen fight between Jeremy and Nevill has been broken down. Going by the evidence.

Bamber was fully clothed and in shoes. So there waa no reason he would sustain any injuries.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9971.msg455277.html#msg455277

The kitchen fight between Jeremy and Nevill has be broken down. Going by the evidence.

Bamber was fully clothed and in shoes. So there waa no reason he would sustain any injuries.

The wetsuit he wore would have protected him — that’s just one of the reasons divers wear them

It’s evident to everyone that Nevill could’ve so easily disarmed Sheila, but a few people don’t want to believe it

It doesn’t matter what they believe as it won’t make a blind bit of difference: Jeremy was found guilty because he was guilty, he’s lost all his appeals, attempts for leave to appeal, his appeal at the Human Rights Court — and the courts are sick to death of him spouting and rehashing the same weak old “new” evidence that isn’t new at all, and was slung out decades ago

People are bored by him now, especially as WhiteHouseFarm has finished....everyone’s moved on.

He’s guilty.

End of.

[G-Unit]

The wetsuit he wore would have protected him — that’s just one of the reasons divers wear them

It’s evident to everyone that Nevill could’ve so easily disarmed Sheila, but a few people don’t want to believe it

It doesn’t matter what they believe as it won’t make a blind bit of difference: Jeremy was found guilty because he was guilty, he’s lost all his appeals, attempts for leave to appeal, his appeal at the Human Rights Court — and the courts are sick to death of him spouting and rehashing the same weak old “new” evidence that isn’t new at all, and was slung out decades ago

People are bored by him now, especially as WhiteHouseFarm has finished....everyone’s moved on.

He’s guilty.

End of.

Do you have any evidence of a wet suit being worn?

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you have any evidence of a wet suit being worn?

Just to clarify wet suits are porous unlike dry suits.  What would have been the advantage to the perp in wearing a wet suit?  The theory seems to have emanated from Robert Boutflour.

JB was into windsurfing and did own a wet suit which I believe was examined by the police and found negative although I haven't seen any evidence to this effect.

[Holly Goodhead]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9971.msg455277.html#msg455277

The kitchen fight between Jeremy and Nevill has been broken down. Going by the evidence.

Bamber was fully clothed and in shoes. So there waa no reason he would sustain any injuries.

I can't see anything in the link that SC was incapable of.

The general disarray in the kitchen might have been caused by NB stumbling into furniture.  The facial wounds upstairs were very serious to the point Dr V said had the downstairs head shots not supervened the facial shots would have killed him. 

I haven't seen any mention of this previously but thinking about it now I wonder if his eyesight, hearing and balance were adversely affected? 

[adam]

I can't see anything in the link that SC was incapable of.

The general disarray in the kitchen might have been caused by NB stumbling into furniture.  The facial wounds upstairs were very serious to the point Dr V said had the downstairs head shots not supervened the facial shots would have killed him. 

I haven't seen any mention of this previously but thinking about it now I wonder if his eyesight, hearing and balance were adversely affected?

Obviously Nevill would have used his massive height and weight advantage to take Sheila to ground. Rather than wrestle for the rifle and let himself get hit multiple times.

He would have negated the situation instantly while fully fit. Or at the least upstairs when Sheila started shooting.

Nevill had no choice but to fight back in the kitchen after Jeremy opened fire.