Claims Of Criminality Down Under

[Holly Goodhead]

Much has been claimed about the above which range from murder to armed robbery to dealing heroin. And yet not a scrap of evidence exists from the Oz/NZ authorities, media reports or lay witnesses resident in these countries claiming to have information and/or were victims of any such crimes.

The claims were made by UK based lay prosecution witnesses such as Robert Boutflour and Susan Battersby.

[Holly Goodhead]

Much has been claimed about the above which range from murder to armed robbery to dealing heroin. And yet not a scrap of evidence exists from the Oz/NZ authorities, media reports or lay witnesses resident in these countries claiming to have information and/or were victims of any such crimes.

The claims were made by UK based lay prosecution witnesses such as Robert Boutflour and Susan Battersby.

Why would lay prosecution witnesses in the UK know about these crimes when those down under appear oblivious?

I would also point out that those making the claims gained by JB's conviction.  RB gained by seeing his children gain financially from the Bamber estate.  Susan Battersby gained by the authorities dropping charges against her for cheque fraud and assisting a drug dealer.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Much has been claimed about the above which range from murder to armed robbery to dealing heroin. And yet not a scrap of evidence exists from the Oz/NZ authorities, media reports or lay witnesses resident in these countries claiming to have information and/or were victims of any such crimes.

The claims were made by UK based lay prosecution witnesses such as Robert Boutflour and Susan Battersby.

You’re making assumptions it was a rumour started by Robert Boutflour.

Jeremy had to leave NZ in a hurry, after reports of a break-in at a jewellers. He took the next flight out to Asia, and Nevill had to send him money in a hurry...

When JB returned he gave his ex-girlfriend a Cartier watch — in fact, she chose it out of a few he showed her. She has that stated.

Jeremy was a KNOWN drug dealer; he bought it in Amsterdam and also grew it.

As for the diamonds and a man being killed, there are indeed unsolved murders in New Zealand, so whilst it can’t be proven Jeremy was the murderer, given that he’s a convicted mass murderer THAT rumour is a possibility...

You need to stop making derogatory inflammatory accusations about the extended Bamber family. They lost members of their family, so they’re victims too.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Why would lay prosecution witnesses in the UK know about these crimes when those down under appear oblivious?

I would also point out that those making the claims gained by JB's conviction.  RB gained by seeing his children gain financially from the Bamber estate.  Susan Battersby gained by the authorities dropping charges against her for cheque fraud and assisting a drug dealer.

Furthermore, and this is an assumption of mine, I doubt you know Australia or New Zealand well — though I may be wrong.

However, I do. I’ve been there many times and have relatives living there. I also know that there are unsolved crimes in both countries, so before you state statistics, you need to get your facts right rather than casting aspersions on innocent victims of this heinous crime he committed.

Susan Battersby had NOTHING to gain by reporting him to the police; she had NO idea if she’d be prosecuted for the ONE instant of cheque fraud she committed , and which she owned up to and paid back to the bank. Jeremy should have been charged for that too — he received stolen goods from Julie knowing full well how she’d bought them.

[Holly Goodhead]

Furthermore, and this is an assumption of mine, I doubt you know Australia or New Zealand well — though I may be wrong.

However, I do. I’ve been there many times and have relatives living there. I also know that there are unsolved crimes in both countries, so before you state statistics, you need to get your facts right rather than casting aspersions on innocent victims of this heinous crime he committed.

Susan Battersby had NOTHING to gain by reporting him to the police; she had NO idea if she’d be prosecuted for the ONE instant of cheque fraud she committed , and which she owned up to and paid back to the bank. Jeremy should have been charged for that too — he received stolen goods from Julie knowing full well how she’d bought them.

There are also many unsolved crimes in this country too!

It has been claimed by UK residents that when JB visited Antipodes he was involved in murder, armed robbery and heroin dealing, stealing diamonds from the rings of individuals and yet not a word from an Oz/NZ police officer, lay witness or media report by way of a newspaper article.

[Caroline]

There are also many unsolved crimes in this country too!

It has been claimed by UK residents that when JB visited Antipodes he was involved in murder, armed robbery and heroin dealing, stealing diamonds from the rings of individuals and yet not a word from an Oz/NZ police officer, lay witness or media report by way of a newspaper article.

I agree, most of it is probably rubbish but he was accused of stealing the two Cartier watches and he did have two Cartier watches but not Cartier funds to pay for them.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I agree, most of it is probably rubbish but he was accused of stealing the two Cartier watches and he did have two Cartier watches but not Cartier funds to pay for them.

Quite.

He couldn’t even pay for a cheap economy ticket to fly back home....sounds like he was skint.

And before anyone says “but he had expensive Cartier watches on him, including diamonds (which hasn’t been substantiated) thieves can’t sell stolen goods quickly — it’s far too risky. They have to keep them undercover for as long as possible.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Much has been claimed about the above which range from murder to armed robbery to dealing heroin. And yet not a scrap of evidence exists from the Oz/NZ authorities, media reports or lay witnesses resident in these countries claiming to have information and/or were victims of any such crimes.

The claims were made by UK based lay prosecution witnesses such as Robert Boutflour and Susan Battersby.

It would seem some keep digging as JB tries to dig himself out of a hole. He just isn't a nice character-indeed it fits with his capability in the way he murdered his family- adoptive- he may have used that idea of a victim less crime?

[clockend]

Quite.

He couldn’t even pay for a cheap economy ticket to fly back home....sounds like he was skint.

And before anyone says “but he had expensive Cartier watches on him, including diamonds (which hasn’t been substantiated) thieves can’t sell stolen goods quickly — it’s far too risky. They have to keep them undercover for as long as possible.

Hi Ispy,
In Cals book page 75 paperback,
It said that Essex police recieved information that Jeremy was drug dealing while in New zealand
which he denied.  (no mention of source)
Page 76 Cal WHF
Julie mentioned further thefts "Jeremy used to take diamonds from peoples rings by conning them,
although i dont now how, and replacing the diamond with glass stones.
He would then sell the stones for cash."
Jeremy acknowledged he had some diamonds in New zealand but refused to be drawn on their origin.

Then there was fraud, Julie informed Police that Jeremy had arranged for a friend to cash his travellers cheques
then reported it as theft.
The bank was suspicious and he had to stand on Id parade.

Barbara Wilson recalls" we had to send money to him, I dont now what happened but he did get into trouble"
We sent qute a lot of money.

Essex police confirmed that detectives in New zealand suspected him of a scam, but he fled the country before
they caught up with him.

[APRIL]

Hi Ispy,
In Cals book page 75 paperback,
It said that Essex police recieved information that Jeremy was drug dealing while in New zealand
which he denied.  (no mention of source)
Page 76 Cal WHF
Julie mentioned further thefts "Jeremy used to take diamonds from peoples rings by conning them,
although i dont now how, and replacing the diamond with glass stones.
He would then sell the stones for cash."
Jeremy acknowledged he had some diamonds in New zealand but refused to be drawn on their origin.

Then there was fraud, Julie informed Police that Jeremy had arranged for a friend to cash his travellers cheques
then reported it as theft.
The bank was suspicious and he had to stand on Id parade.

Barbara Wilson recalls" we had to send money to him, I dont now what happened but he did get into trouble"
We sent qute a lot of money.

Essex police confirmed that detectives in New zealand suspected him of a scam, but he fled the country before
they caught up with him.

There always seems that the braggart is never far away. So Jeremy claims to have the ability to not only tell diamonds from white topaz/sapphires/quartz but he is also capable of bending claws to remove the real stones and replace them with replicas. Wonder how long it took, and where he learned to do that?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

There always seems that the braggart is never far away. So Jeremy claims to have the ability to not only tell diamonds from white topaz/sapphires/quartz but he is also capable of bending claws to remove the real stones and replace them with replicas. Wonder how long it took, and where he learned to do that?

Didn’t Brett Collins and his flatmates have a dubious past? I’m sure I read that (more searching for me 🤨)

The old trick of transferring cheap Zirconas in place of diamonds was a big trend in the 1980s, and easily done by unscrupulous jewellers. So easy, in fact, it was considered a lowly crime by the underworld.

It certainly explains how Jeremy had a bag of diamonds (probably just a small handful) as he certainly wasn’t clever enough, nor had the connections, to do big time diamond smuggling.

He also, allegedly, burgled a jewellery shop, where he probably stole the Cartier watches....

Whatever, something serious certainly happened out there causing him to suddenly flee...

[APRIL]

Didn’t Brett Collins and his flatmates have a dubious past? I’m sure I read that (more searching for me 🤨)

The old trick of transferring cheap Zirconas in place of diamonds was a big trend in the 1980s, and easily done by unscrupulous jewellers. So easy, in fact, it was considered a lowly crime by the underworld.

It certainly explains how Jeremy had a bag of diamonds (probably just a small handful) as he certainly wasn’t clever enough, nor had the connections, to do big time diamond smuggling.

He also, allegedly, burgled a jewellery shop, where he probably stole the Cartier watches....

Whatever, something serious certainly happened out there causing him to suddenly flee...

But it would have had to be paid for. Diamonds weren't swapped for zirconia for nothing. And how would he have known the difference?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Hi Ispy,
In Cals book page 75 paperback,
It said that Essex police recieved information that Jeremy was drug dealing while in New zealand
which he denied.  (no mention of source)
Page 76 Cal WHF
Julie mentioned further thefts "Jeremy used to take diamonds from peoples rings by conning them,
although i dont now how, and replacing the diamond with glass stones.
He would then sell the stones for cash."
Jeremy acknowledged he had some diamonds in New zealand but refused to be drawn on their origin.

Then there was fraud, Julie informed Police that Jeremy had arranged for a friend to cash his travellers cheques
then reported it as theft.
The bank was suspicious and he had to stand on Id parade.

Barbara Wilson recalls" we had to send money to him, I dont now what happened but he did get into trouble"
We sent qute a lot of money.

Essex police confirmed that detectives in New zealand suspected him of a scam, but he fled the country before
they caught up with him.

The traveller cheque scam was widespread amongst lowly crooks in the 1980s.

They’d cash the cheques, usually in a hotel, and then report them stolen.

It was a massive con played out by hundreds of lowlife crooks, as they knew they’d always get replacement traveller cheques. So they were literally doubling their money.

It was easy to do back then, as CCTV barely existed, nor did the WWW.

But travellers cheques were lowly crooks biggest scam as it was so easy to do, and they were never caught.

That’s all stopped now, of course, but it was huge back then.

Seems Jeremy had his fingers in lots of pies...

It was almost amusing how he told one police officer as he sat with them outside WHF, that he was a “simple type” and wasn’t interested in money. He said: “A small 2-bed house, runaround car, and enough money to buy myself a few drinks each weekend is all I need”.

Ha! He who relished Champagne, designer suits, Porsche sports cars, trips to exotic locations, London apartments, expensive furniture, latest gadgets, dining in expensive restaurants...alleged he only wanted the lifestyle of, say, a caretaker on a minimum wage, driving a dull, little car, living in a dull little 2up 2down house in a nondescript village in Essex, doing a boring nondescript job, then having a few cheap beers each weekend.

 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

But it would have had to be paid for. Diamonds weren't swapped for zirconia for nothing. And how would he have known the difference?

April, all crooks used to do was take a ring to a dodgy jeweller they knew, who’d swap the diamond in the ring and replace it with a zirconia. It was rife back then. Obviously, they’d have been introduced to the dodgy jeweller by an equally disgusting lowlife, and simply split the proceeds with the jeweller.

So, say for example, the diamond was worth £1k, the jeweller would replace it with a zirconia worth about £20, and they’d do a deal.

The poor unsuspecting owner who only wanted their ring professionally cleaned/valued/redesigned would be presented with a sparkling ring that looked identical to the naked eye, but was completely worthless. It was a HUGE scam, and even goes on today, albeit extremely rarely. In fact, I read about such a case not so long ago where a woman took her ring to be resized and cleaned, and later discovered the diamond had been been replaced with another stone (it wasn’t a zirconia) but was equally worthless.

[APRIL]

April, all crooks used to do was take a ring to a dodgy jeweller they knew, who’d swap the diamond in the ring and replace it with a zirconia. It was rife back then. Obviously, they’d have been introduced to the dodgy jeweller by an equally disgusting lowlife, and simply split the proceeds with the jeweller.

So, say for example, the diamond was worth £1k, the jeweller would replace it with a zirconia worth about £20, and they’d do a deal.

The poor unsuspecting owner who only wanted their ring professionally cleaned/valued/redesigned would be presented with a sparkling ring that looked identical to the naked eye, but was completely worthless. It was a HUGE scam, and even goes on today, albeit extremely rarely. In fact, I read about such a case not so long ago where a woman took her ring to be resized and cleaned, and later discovered the diamond had been been replaced with another stone (it wasn’t a zirconia) but was equally worthless.

Thank-you for refreshing my memory. It was something I'd previously known. I know that even jewellers can't tell the difference just by looking, however, it's possible to tell with loose stones because zirconia has less density. It's a different story with Moissenite though. I would have thought the owner of the ring would have been able to tell by the weight but not everyone is that observant.