Claims Of Criminality Down Under

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Thank-you for refreshing my memory. It was something I'd previously known. I know that even jewellers can't tell the difference just by looking, however, it's possible to tell with loose stones because zirconia has less density. It's a different story with Moissenite though. I would have thought the owner of the ring would have been able to tell by the weight but not everyone is that observant.

I almost feel guilty now as i bought a cubic  zirconia ring for my then fiancee back in the early 1980s  lol,
it did look expensive as there were lots of zirconia, obviously it was relatively cheap.
My friends a jeweller, perhaps i could intice some information on how to tell the difference
with diamonds

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Thank-you for refreshing my memory. It was something I'd previously known. I know that even jewellers can't tell the difference just by looking, however, it's possible to tell with loose stones because zirconia has less density. It's a different story with Moissenite though. I would have thought the owner of the ring would have been able to tell by the weight but not everyone is that observant.

[Caroline]

But it would have had to be paid for. Diamonds weren't swapped for zirconia for nothing. And how would he have known the difference?

Sounds like Jeremy bullshitting to me - he would have to get the correct size etc.

[APRIL]

Sounds like Jeremy bullshitting to me - he would have to get the correct size etc.

Sure. I think it was a good scam for those with a modicum of gemstone knowledge. I think Jeremy could have been more conned than conning. Diamonds aren't just diamonds, and he'd need to know rather more than C is the third letter of the alphabet.

[Holly Goodhead]

I agree, most of it is probably rubbish but he was accused of stealing the two Cartier watches and he did have two Cartier watches but not Cartier funds to pay for them.

Assuming he did have two 'Cartier' watches in his possession we have no idea whether they were the real  McCoy or fakes.

[Caroline]

Sure. I think it was a good scam for those with a modicum of gemstone knowledge. I think Jeremy could have been more conned than conning. Diamonds aren't just diamonds, and he'd need to know rather more than C is the third letter of the alphabet.

Sounds like the kind of thing he would say - international jewel thief 

[Caroline]

Assuming he did have two 'Cartier' watches in his possession we have no idea whether they were the real  McCoy or fakes.

With the story of the theft, there is more reason to believe they were genuine. By his own admission, he's at least a thief.

[Holly Goodhead]

Didn’t Brett Collins and his flatmates have a dubious past? I’m sure I read that (more searching for me 🤨)

The old trick of transferring cheap Zirconas in place of diamonds was a big trend in the 1980s, and easily done by unscrupulous jewellers. So easy, in fact, it was considered a lowly crime by the underworld.

It certainly explains how Jeremy had a bag of diamonds (probably just a small handful) as he certainly wasn’t clever enough, nor had the connections, to do big time diamond smuggling.

He also, allegedly, burgled a jewellery shop, where he probably stole the Cartier watches....

Whatever, something serious certainly happened out there causing him to suddenly flee...

Evidenced by?

[Caroline]

Evidenced by?

Him suddenly fleeing.

[Holly Goodhead]

With the story of the theft, there is more reason to believe they were genuine. By his own admission, he's at least a thief.

He admitted to breaking in to OCP and stealing a few hundred pounds from the family firm.  Has he admitted to any other crimes? 

[Holly Goodhead]

Him suddenly fleeing.

He said it was his due date to depart.  What evidence exists that he fled?

[Caroline]

He admitted to breaking in to OCP and stealing a few hundred pounds from the family firm.  Has he admitted to any other crimes?

Why would he admit to something he didn't need to admit to and it was more than a few hundred pounds!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Thank-you for refreshing my memory. It was something I'd previously known. I know that even jewellers can't tell the difference just by looking, however, it's possible to tell with loose stones because zirconia has less density. It's a different story with Moissenite though. I would have thought the owner of the ring would have been able to tell by the weight but not everyone is that observant.

I’m certain Jeremy never have realised a small bag of zirconias wouldn’t have fooled people who were au fait with diamonds, and he possibly ended up dumping them unless he found someone who was unaware to buy them.

I personally can spot a zirconia immediately: it doesn’t have the same clarity of a diamond , but I can see how people could easily mistake them.

They now have lab-made diamonds which are incredibly difficult to distinguish because they are actually diamonds, albeit lab-made, and I know for fact that many celebs have these, but they’re not mined diamonds — and that’s what makes real diamonds so costly.  Even Swarovski crystals can look exactly like diamonds: they throw off hues of colours, sparkle like diamonds, and few people would know they were just crystals.

I’m digressing here, sorry, but Jeremy wasn’t the big diamond fraud dealer he’d like to admit to...he was smuggling fakes and didn’t realise.

Just like the cannabis he grew and cultivated: a supplier who deals in it illegally said you can’t grow cannabis without heat and the people Jeremy sold his cannabis to may as well have smoked a cabbage leaf 😤

[Caroline]

He said it was his due date to depart.  What evidence exists that he fled?

The evidence comes from what others have said - Bamber in this instance, is not a reliable witness because he has reason to lie, also this on the Cartier watches;

"His interview resumed around one o’clock. After questioning his behaviour at the funeral in Tolleshunt D’Arcy, which Jeremy attributed to ‘manic depression’, DCI Jones moved on to the Cartier watches brought back from Australia, asking whether they were stolen.4 ‘Stealing’s the wrong word,’ Jeremy replied. ‘Was there an incident in Australia involving some Cartier watches you want to tell me about?’ ‘No comment.’"

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (pp. 297-298). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

[APRIL]

I’m certain Jeremy never have realised a small bag of zirconias wouldn’t have fooled people who were au fait with diamonds, and he possibly ended up dumping them unless he found someone who was unaware to buy them.

I personally can spot a zirconia immediately: it doesn’t have the same clarity of a diamond , but I can see how people could easily mistake them.

They now have lab-made diamonds which are incredibly difficult to distinguish because they are actually diamonds, albeit lab-made, and I know for fact that many celebs have these, but they’re not mined diamonds — and that’s what makes real diamonds so costly.  Even Swarovski crystals can look exactly like diamonds: they throw off hues of colours, sparkle like diamonds, and few people would know they were just crystals.

I’m digressing here, sorry, but Jeremy wasn’t the big diamond fraud dealer he’d like to admit to...he was smuggling fakes and didn’t realise.

Just like the cannabis he grew and cultivated: a supplier who deals in it illegally said you can’t grow cannabis without heat and the people Jeremy sold his cannabis to may as well have smoked a cabbage leaf 😤

Those I've seen have been as close to D Flawless as makes no difference. Why bother to create a substandard fake when you want to pass them off as the real thing. In fact, I wear both, and no one can tell the difference just by looking at them. However, unlike Jeremy, it's been a lifelong hobby that I've spent much time on. Not something I do to cheat or make a fast buck.