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Offline The General

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1230 on: July 01, 2020, 10:56:43 AM »
The McCann's made a terrible decision to leave the children alone,  but that doesn't mean an abductor had the right to take their child.   Stop trying to put the blame onto the McCann's,   I don't care if there was an arrow pointing to the McCann's apartment NO ONE had the right to take their child.
It's about negligence and duty of care. The end result of the negligence is the harm, irrespective of the mode.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1231 on: July 01, 2020, 10:58:56 AM »

It didn't stop Kate from searching the apartment,  hoping she was wrong,  Gerry also searched the apartment.

The Police wanted the timeline.

Ye right ..they were staying there the other 20+ wasn,t

They are the ones that contaminated everything ruining the crime scene.
sorry if offended but the mccs bring the worst out in me

Offline Lace

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1232 on: July 01, 2020, 10:59:55 AM »
It's about negligence and duty of care. The end result of the negligence is the harm, irrespective of the mode.

So there you are then,   the parents left the children,   Madeleine didn't deserve a proper investigation because her parents left her alone to be abducted.     Amaral keeps bringing this up,  shifting the blame.

Offline The General

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1233 on: July 01, 2020, 11:02:53 AM »
So there you are then,   the parents left the children,   Madeleine didn't deserve a proper investigation because her parents left her alone to be abducted.     Amaral keeps bringing this up,  shifting the blame.
No, nobody said, or indeed did that.
Consider this, who allows themselves to be paraded outside a nick to a throng (I said throng) of waiting journalists to let the chief of police rattle on about arguidos and all that?
Which self-respecting counsel permits that?
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Offline kizzy

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1234 on: July 01, 2020, 11:07:59 AM »
The McCann's made a terrible decision to leave the children alone,  but that doesn't mean an abductor had the right to take their child.   Stop trying to put the blame onto the McCann's,   I don't care if there was an arrow pointing to the McCann's apartment NO ONE had the right to take their child.

OFGS in a perfect world yes.

but we are not in a perfect world them as Dr should know that.

They were not even at home...  in a strange place..the buck lies with them.

They abandoned the children with no care....with no care what would happen imo accidents crying alone bla bla

They had no right to leave them in the first place.- its the mcc they relied on to keep safe.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1235 on: July 01, 2020, 11:11:16 AM »
So there you are then,   the parents left the children,   Madeleine didn't deserve a proper investigation because her parents left her alone to be abducted.     Amaral keeps bringing this up,  shifting the blame.


So do you IMO
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Offline Lace

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1236 on: July 01, 2020, 11:16:17 AM »
OFGS in a perfect world yes.

but we are not in a perfect world them as Dr should know that.

They were not even at home...  in a strange place..the buck lies with them.

They abandoned the children with no care....with no care what would happen imo accidents crying alone bla bla

They had no right to leave them in the first place.- its the mcc they relied on to keep safe.


Many people leave their children alone on holiday.   Tents have no locks and people go to BBQ's leaving their young children alone in tents.   People go to sleep on beaches and leave their children playing by the sea.   People go to sleep or go to the bar on holidays and leave their children in the pool.   They don't think someone will abduct their child do they?  The McCann's made a decision along with their friends to a check on their children while they had dinner just down the road.  It was a holiday destination it was quiet it was supposed to be child friendly.   There was a monster on the prowl,  it wasn't the McCann's fault this person was out to take a child.  Stop passing the buck.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1237 on: July 01, 2020, 11:39:29 AM »

It didn't stop Kate from searching the apartment,  hoping she was wrong,  Gerry also searched the apartment.

The Police wanted the timeline.

Who said the police wanted a timeline? Was it the person who decided to sit down and write one out on Madeleine's sticker book? What time was that and where was it done?

According to Inspector Martins he and Barreiras arrived at 00:40/00:50, and the first thing they did was clear the apartment, inviting everyone except the McCanns to leave.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm#p15p3862

According to Russell O'Brien they didn't leave immediately, he and David Payne sat down with Gerry and produced the timeline;

Clarified who made the time line handed to Portuguese officers- I had written it- both copies, in consultation with Dave and Gerry.  It was written 02:00-03:00hours in Gerry’s room.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm
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Offline Lace

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1238 on: July 01, 2020, 04:52:06 PM »
Who said the police wanted a timeline? Was it the person who decided to sit down and write one out on Madeleine's sticker book? What time was that and where was it done?

According to Inspector Martins he and Barreiras arrived at 00:40/00:50, and the first thing they did was clear the apartment, inviting everyone except the McCanns to leave.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm#p15p3862

According to Russell O'Brien they didn't leave immediately, he and David Payne sat down with Gerry and produced the timeline;

Clarified who made the time line handed to Portuguese officers- I had written it- both copies, in consultation with Dave and Gerry.  It was written 02:00-03:00hours in Gerry’s room.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

In one of their statements,  they ask the Police Officer if they should get the media involved and the Police officer looking at the timeline said 'this is what we want'.   I can't remember whose statement it was in so I will have to look through them all.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1239 on: July 01, 2020, 05:36:31 PM »
In one of their statements,  they ask the Police Officer if they should get the media involved and the Police officer looking at the timeline said 'this is what we want'.   I can't remember whose statement it was in so I will have to look through them all.

I think it was O’Brien.
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Offline Lace

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1240 on: July 01, 2020, 06:07:44 PM »
I think it was O’Brien.


Yes it was Faith I've found it -


But anyway Dave PAYNE said to, erm, there were two members of the PJ had arrived, there was a guy I remember being almost shaved bald head, quite dark complexion, and a second one who we kind of nicknamed ‘baby face’ who did our fingerprinting about a week later, erm, and those two were there and Dave was, was saying, you know, ‘Shouldn’t we’, you know, ‘Why are we sitting here, shouldn’t you be on the radio, shouldn’t there be more people here, shouldn’t there be’, you know, ‘this should be on the radio, it should be on the television’ and, erm, I recall ‘baby face’ or his colleague saying ‘No media’, and, you know, and that was full-stop and then turning round to me writing the timeline and saying ‘That’s what we want’, fair enough.  Erm, huh, and that’s really it. 

Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1241 on: July 01, 2020, 06:49:09 PM »
In one of their statements,  they ask the Police Officer if they should get the media involved and the Police officer looking at the timeline said 'this is what we want'.   I can't remember whose statement it was in so I will have to look through them all.

It was Russell's justification for producing the timeline, but if they were all chucked out of 5A when the PJ arrived how could they be sitting at the table writing timelines over an hour later?
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1242 on: July 01, 2020, 08:13:12 PM »
Funny how all the exact times they later produced were nowhere to be seen on those first timelines  *%87
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1243 on: July 01, 2020, 08:16:49 PM »
Funny how all the exact times they later produced were nowhere to be seen on those first timelines  *%87
Funny that bossy, insistent Gerry didn’t insist they wrote down 10.13 as the time Kate raised the alarm isn’t it?
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #1244 on: July 01, 2020, 08:27:20 PM »
First timelines show that Jane saw a stranger carrying a child after Gerry had found the bedroom door had moved.

Get that evil abductor Tannerman! Oh wait it wasn't him  @)(++(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.